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He has the 6th highest cash salary next year, that is expensive. It is pretty simple, if you think he is average or below average you don't pay it because his contract says above average. To put it in perspective, he is the third highest paid player on our team next year. Easiest way to look at it, can you replace his production for $8.3m ? or What if you can get 90% of his production for $2m a year, and then spend that $6m elsewhere?

If they traded for him they would have to honor it unless Watson and them decided on an extnstion. Texans didn't get a good deal on the front end. This year is actually the 5th year of his rookie deal. The only new money they have paid is the signing bonus. They basically paid him a $27m signing bonus for a contract that hasn't really started. Just another reason they are going to look for considerable assets in return.

Everyone keeps talking about what Watson wants but from the Texans point of view I would think any any deal that offers the chance for finding a franchise QB would be heavily favored. Specifically the #2 and #3 overall kpicks that the Jets and Dolphins own.

So does #6 make it to our second round pick?

that's debatable at best. They had a great defense that carried them to a lot of wins over bad teams. Lot of talk all year about how he was holding them back. Also, as I said earlier he is on the last year of his deal and has pretty big bonus due.

fans think in terms of the organizational history. Players tend to believe in the future and they have egos. All it takes is for him to believe in the new coach or GM. They have all of the resources to turn around quick.

Jets could give up 3-4 1st round picks for Watson, or they could give up some for Stafford, then trade down a few spots with the 2nd overall pick and get back more picks than they gave up for Stafford.

and he played terrible last year, and he is on the last year of his deal, and there is some thought they might be interested in finding a replacement. Not saying they are likely for a Stafford trade, but it wouldn't be crazy to see them in the QB market in some capacity.

I think there is a very good chance he could end up being QB6 or 7. If 4 QB go in the top 10 I could see #7 not making it past the 2nd round.

You are making the argument that our better skill position players make us a better destination to Stafford, I don't agree. You might think so, even I might think so, that isn't the point. I can see Stafford viewing teams such as Pittsburg or Indy as being better situations. Just like it doesn't take years to be a contender, it doesn't take you skill positions long to change. Samuel might be leaving, last year of Robby, and Moore doesn't have an extension and CMC is a RB. Indy has the second most cap space, they can easily sign a FA WR. As a Panther fan I would love to think we are the most desirable team in the league, I commend your dedication, I just don't agree with it.

because he is getting older, and they are in a position to take one. A team like Atlanta doesn't plan on picking that high that often and even when they do there isn't a guarantee that there will be a worthy QB prospect there. In a perfect world they would probably prefer to draft Ryans replacement next year, or the year after, but they might not get the chance. Might be hard for them to turn down the chance to draft someone like Fields. These are 4 very highly rated QBs, 3 of them might be #1 picks other years. Teams can go decades without being able to draft #1 type QBs, you don't past that up.

The split seems somewhat amicable, I would think they will work with him to some degree. They aren't going to give him away for nothing, also I'm sure they would like to keep him out of the division, but I expect them to work to help them get to somewhere he wants to be.

All the Cam fans get upset with the comparison but it does make sense on some levels. They aren't saying Lance is as good as a runner but he is a bit of a power runner like Cam. Neither were Lamar or Vick style runners. Cam was so much different because you could call designed power runs, Lance has some of that. Also when people talk about arm strength Cam was in a different tier than almost all QBs. A lot QBs get described as having good arms, but Cam was probably a top-3, if not top level arm in the league, based on pure velocity. Lance falls in the category. Saying he has the strongest arm since Cam, and is the best power runner since Cam, are actually compliments to Cam. That doesn't mean they think he is better than Cam at those two things, it means they think he does those things better than all of the people since Cam. Shows you how rare Cam was. Personally I like the Allen comp is better than most. Good athlete, elite arm, questionable accuracy coming out of college.

Your fandom is cute. and WFT won more than us without a QB Pittsburg won more than us without a QB Patriots won more than us without a QB Indy won 11 games with Rivers, do you seriously not think that Stafford considers himself as good as Rivers. Denver won more than us without a QB. San Fran won more than us without a QB.

and we won 5 games. I get being a homer, but really, lets try to somewhat realistic. Indy went 11-5. Pittsburg went 12-4. Patriots have won the Super Bowl. I'm not super sold on WFT but they did win the division, and had a better record then us. None of the other teams in that division look stable so he might view that as favorable We aren't nearly the FA destination that a lot of the fans think.

^ This Stafford will want to go somewhere he can win, the Lions will probably prefer not to trade him in the division.

Indy? went 11-5 and QB just retired. Patriots? WFT? Denver? There are plenty of teams you could see Stafford as a good upgrade and from the outside looking in we don't look as appealing as a lot of the fans on this forum think.

Even if they don't, he doesn't have pick 2 or 3 being a QB, which I don't see happening. So either way there is a good chance three QBs will be off the board by pick 8, and all 4 being gone is a very real possibility also.

We don't need to swap contracts at all, Stafford is only about $20m. Cutting Teddy and KK gets there, not to mention multiple other restructures you could easily do to make it work. If Shaq gets moved its because he got cut, nobody wants to trade for his $10m salary next year.

Even if they don't, he doesn't have pick 2 or 3 being a QB, which I don't see happening. So either way there is a good chance three QBs will be off the board by pick 8, and all 4 being gone is a very real possibility.

How many of you have actually watched Devin White all year? Or honestly at all outside of the two playoff games

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It’s not just that those win now teams will value him more but I think he will value them more also. I don’t really see him wanting to come to the Panthers and I do think they will work with him some in location.

QB picks tend to go for a premium over the traditional trade value chart. This year I think even more so. Add about 50% to those amounts.

I don't think Stafford has a no trade clause but I could Detroit working with him to get to somewhere he wants to be. I'm not sure if we fit that profile.