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Everyone is forgetting that other teams can make offers also. It isn’t as simple as making a good offer, you have to make a better offer than the other teams. Two 1st and Burns from us or Three 1st from the Jets? They probably take the Jets offer so the can grab QB2. They would probably take just 2 first from the Jets over our offer. Don’t underestimate the allure of being a ole to draft a potential franchise QB.

Those choices don’t happen in a vacuum though. Mike Davis might not be as good but he saves you around $10m that can be spent elsewhere. $15m RB and $2m LT or $2m RB and $15m LT? It is a lot easier to find a late round RB with good production than a OT or DE. Same in free agency.

Not saying you are right or wrong but they would probably turn your best offer down. The #2 overall from the Jets this year would probably be more appealing by itself. If we called the Jets ourself and offered that for their pick they probably wouldn’t take it.

I think Burns is one of best assets of any team out there that might be interested in Watson. People need to remember that all 1st aren’t created equal. Jets 1st is worth a lot more than our 1st, but our first is worth more than the first of someone like the WFT. Burns might get two mid round first on the open market but he wouldn’t get you the #2 overall pick. Jets and Dolphins have better picks to offer, we probably have better young players. Honestly I can’t see a team like the 49ers or WFT out bidding us.

Pick #3 might be the early favorite. I’m not positive the Texans will deal Watson and I’m even if they do I not sure if we can outbid the Jets, if the Jets want to be aggressive. I could actually see Miami being more interested in CMC than the Texans if he was part of a deal. Would be a nice weapon if they are trying to develop Tua.

How much we would have to give up would be dependent on what other teams were also offering. If the Jets want to be aggressive it would take an offer from us that most people here wouldn’t be comfortable with. I’m thinking three first, Burns and Chinn.

They also traded up for a QB with concerns.

A lot of people had doubts about Herbert. He played in a limited system. Some of his accuracy numbers were horrible. Also in some of his biggest games he played terrible. I find it amusing that some of the posters around here that are afraid to trade up for a QB this year because of concerns are quick to talk about how we screwed up not taking Herbert. If Herbert was in this draft class he would probably be QB5.

I missed the part about Jones, just edited. I do think there is a chance 4 go before us, it’s an odd year.

Don’t get me wrong, I’ve said all along my perfect scenario is if we can draft one of the top 4 QBs without trading up. I’m just not sure if the team is willing to risk it. I’m not totally sold on Jones, but I could easily be wrong. If we go the Jones route it would be nice if we could pick up an extra pick by trading down, but that could get risky.

What would be your choice of action this year?

Nobody saw Patrick Mahomes when Patrick Mahomes was drafted either, if they had he would have gone first.

Trading down and picking up someone like Mac Jones, I assume that is who you are talking about, is a very valid option. Would you be willing to take him at 8 or where do you think you could trade back to and take him? In regard to next year, what’s the chances we are in position to take a QB with no concerns? If I knew I could get the #1 pick I would be all for that, but there is a chance we might be picking later in next years draft and some people says next years class is worse. Basically we would be passing on trading up for a better prospect this year so we can take a worse prospect next without trading up. Problem with QBs is they are almost always over drafted. Here again, I’m not opposed to waiting, but I can definitely see arguments both ways.

So what would you prefer to do? Are you comfortable going with Teddy if a QB doesn’t make it to 8? Draft a later round QB like Trask or Newman? Wait till next year? I’m not saying you’re wrong, part of me wants to be patient and wait at 8 also, but I can see why they are considering it. How often do you really get a chance to draft a QB without concerns? If they don’t have concerns they go first and some years even those do.

I don't think it is because Watson only wants to play for the Jets, its the fact that the Texans only would want to trade with the Jets. McCain is basically saying that he doesn't think they want to trade him, but if they do, the Jets are the only team they would be willing to listen to, which is somewhat logical. If they think QB2(most likely Wilson) is that much better than any other QB in the draft, outside of Trevor, it makes sense. If you are going to lose a top-3 QB you better get a QB in return that gives your fanbase hope. Also from a rebuild perspective the best thing they could ask for is a potential franchise QB. As far as the Panthers go I agree that we might be willing to sell the farm but at the same time, no matter what we give, we can't guarantee them a QB. Our best chance is for the Jets just to decide they aren't willing to give up much for Watson. Pure speculation on my part, but it wouldn't surprise me if that trade example of two 1st, two 2nds, and 2 young defensive players wasn't close to an offer they already received. Actually sounds like something we could have offered. We definitely have some young defensive players that would be appealing, I'm not sure the Jets do. If anything it might be the Texans way of letting other teams, mainly Jets, know what they need to offer. I'm not convinced they want to trade him, but I could see where they could talk themselves into it. They were terrible with Watson. Their cap situation is bad for the next few years, their draft capital is low, their best chance for a quick rebuild might actually be to trade him, if they hit on the QB in the draft. They might be trying to act like they have no desire of trading him, to save face, but at the same time secretly hoping the Jets make them a deal they can't refuse. If they do decide to trade him and the Jets or maybe Miaimi don't want to budge, I think we have a very good chance. We have a fairly high 1st this year and a decent amount of appealing, younger players and I think we would be willing to deal. I can't see a team like WTF, 49ers, or Indy putting together a better package.

Zach Wilson Because of the previous coach and Gm their cap situation isn't great the next few years. Their draft pick situation isn't great either. Their best chance of improving, if they lose Watson, is to hit on a rookie QB and they might like Wilson a good bit more than Fields or Lance.

Outside of a quality OT prospect being there I’m taking Moore in a heartbeat if he makes it to our second pick.

Pay a really good tackle (Moton) $16m a year or give up a 1st to pay a tackle (Brown) $16m a year. Easy decision for me. I don't see us paying both. Unless Moton moves to LT, which might not even work, I don't see us being great at LT. Either we sign a cheap vet, who will most likely be below average, or draft a LT in the first 2 rounds, who also will most likely be below average their first year. Best chance for us to be good at LT is probably resigning Okung and hoping he stays healthy, but here again probably too expensive. More realistic chance of improving our O-line in the short term is resigning Moton and upgrading the interior spots some, which could be possible with some cheap free agents later in free agency.

People need to realize there is a very good chance that he might not be QB4 on our board. After Trevor there is going to be some variance with the QBs. Also it seems people are overthinking the Cam comparisons and/or they are just Cam fans who get their feelings hurt if anyone is compared to Cam. Nobody thinks he is the physical specimen of Cam, he isn't as big. What they are saying, is he probably has one of the strongest arms since Cam, that is actually a huge compliment to Cam because there have been a lot of QBs drafted since then. Also he is one of the best running QBs since Cam, especially when you factor in the ability to run with power. There are a lot of QBs that can scramble, and have some speed, but what made Cam different was his ability to also run with power. Here again, huge compliment to Cam, they aren't saying he is as good but you have to go back to Cam to find someone who is similar or better at it.

That assumes the Texans are willing to trade him and also that would just take 3 1st.

I feel better about finding an OT in the 2nd than a QB, by most accounts it a a good tackle class. Need to find a way to trade up without having to use this years second, maybe including a player instead of a pick. I like Brown a lot, and think he is going to become a great player, but last year did set up well for us to take a tackle in the first. I'm afraid when it is all over we are going to have to “make due” at the spot and maybe address it another time.

Teams that have money to spend are going to get some great deals. The big name guys will still get paid, but I fully expect some of the guys that would normally be going in that 4-8m range will be in the 3-6 range. I would think there might be a lot of guys signing one year deals because of this.

Lol I admire your conviction

So these reports that a deal was close could have been just been the Eagles putting it out there hoping it would entice the teams to up their bid? Such a ludicrous idea....

I agree with you but I am a bit nervous. They might not be convinced they can get who they want at 8 and they might not be willing to give up the resources to trade up. Personally I'm hoping we can get a rookie without giving up much and letting him develop. Not a big fan of hoping vet guys improve magically.