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I'm not convinced though that we really only liked Trevor as far as the QBs go. Why would we inquire about moving to 3? I think there is a small chance we might have liked Lance, we just hid it very well. At the very least I think we would have heavily considered Wilson if he was there.

also when the "reports" came out that we were talking to 5 teams if I remember correctly about trading down, that told me we weren't interested in Fields. It was pretty clear we were hoping someone would trade up in front of us for Fields, which would greatly increase our chance for Sewell. There was a very good chance Trevor, Wilson, and Lance ware going top 3. Pitts to Atlanta, and not crazy to think Bengals would take Chase and Miami go Waddle. That leaves Detroit. We were probably hoping someone would trade with Detroit to grab Fields.

I've heard since that they liked Lance all along, the media created the Jones angle. Also I think other teams had a pretty good idea also.

How about this? Whoever had the final call liked Sam more than Fields. I'm not saying it was the right or wrong decision, but the fact we didn't draft Fields tells us whoever made the final decision wanted to go with Sam.

Maybe. I'm not convinced of that. Even if the Jets were not sure, other teams had to operate on the premise they would. You wouldn't trade to 3 hoping that the Jets would pass on Wilson. What if the Dolphins would have had a decent asking price, would we have just said "just kidding"? Their top two realistic choices were Sewell and Horn, there is a difference. If Trevor would have fell do you honestly think they would have passed?

too bad the Niner's felt like they had to get to 3. I think Lance was probably rated higher among teams than fans and/or the media, and for whatever reason Fields was rated lower among teams than fans and/or media.

"We" is whoever made the decision.

Why Wilson? Everyone knew Jets were going QB at 2. Trading with Miami would have been for QB3. There was little chance of us taking a QB that we really liked at #8, I would agree with that. Not only did we make it look like we might, we also tried to sell the idea that other teams were looking to trade up with us. I think were trying to get Sewell to fall to us to be honest, but that is just a guess.

I think Sewell would have been in play. We put out a lot of information right before draft night about all the teams we were talking to about trading down with. Felt like we were trying to give the impression that someone was trying to move up for a QB, hoping that one team would, which would help our chances of getting Sewell. We needed 4 QBs to go before us to have a good chance for him. Horn was probably going to be there either way.

what? you are trying to prove a point to points I didn't even make. I said apparently we liked Darnold more than Fields. The fact we didn't draft him when we had the chance to says that. Do you disagree with that? I also said that there were reports early in the draft process that we inquired about trading to 3. Do you agree with that? If that is true, who we were we interested in? My guess would be a QB. I can't see them trying to trade up that far for a non-QB.

but if we had traded to 3 there is a chance we wouldn't have signed Darnold. Here again the OP asked what what would have happened if we hadn't beat Washington. Several sources also confirmed we liked Jones or Fields. Several sources also were convinced San Fran was going Jones. You just never know. The fact we acted uninterested in Lance might tell you something. None of this really matters at this point, but I do find it somewhat curious that we supposedly inquired about pick 3. All we know for sure is that we liked Darnold more than Jones or Fields.

but there were repots we talked to the Dolphins some about trading to 3. If you are going to 3 it is for a QB.

Yep, especially with how quickly the current staff wanted to distance themselves from Teddy once Hurney was gone.

Maybe to save your job? Especially if it was Hurney pushing for Bridgewater.

Some sources also said we liked Jones. Some sources also said we called about trading up to 3, which makes you think there could have been 3 QBs we liked. Could have been Lance. Here again the team likes Darnold more than any option they thought was going to be available, pretty simple concept. Doesn't mean they didn't have other options they would have preferred, not sure why you continue to try and argue that.

First of all let me say that I'm usually a fan of trading down, so this isn't a knock on what we did last night. More just trying to et an idea of what we actually did last night. Please feel free to correct me on any of this, it can get confusing. going into the draft we had picks: 1(8), 2(39), 3(73), 4(113), 5(151), 6(191), 6(193), and 6(222) So far after the trades we have: 1(8), 2(59), 3(70), 3(83), 4(109), 5(158), 6(193), 6(204), 6(222) for a change of: lost 20 spots on pick 39 gained 3 spots on pick 73 gained pick 83 gained four spots on pick 113 (4th round) lost 7 spots on pick 151 (5th round) lost 13 spots on pick 191 (6th round) gained 2022 4th If you ignore the small moves in the later rounds, which are underlined, and just look at the bigger moves we basically gave up 20 spots in the 2nd and gained pick 83 and a future 4th and moved from 73 to 70.

Would you give up that 6th we got for Teddy for Sewell?

It’s reasonable to think that if they didn’t have Teddy they might have been more inclined to draft a QB. Definatley wouldn’t have been less. Also if the did decide to draft a QB they would have had to consider us a threat. This will be a very interesting offseason to look back on in a year or two.

I blame it on Denver. With all of the reports of us wanting to trade down, it was almost like we were trying to bait Denver into moving up for a QB and therefore increasing our chances of Sewell. Did us trading Teddy to Denver actually hurt our chances of drafting Sewell?

I’m not the one spinning, but you are correct, this is pointless.

He was our fallback plan. We couldn’t get Stafford, we couldn’t get Watson, after San Fran traded up we probably felt like we couldn’t draft a QB that we really wanted so we signed Darnold. The team felt like he was our best option that was realistic. That doesn’t mean they wouldn’t have took a QB they really liked it by the small chance he fell. Also by calling him insurance doesn’t imply the team would have took any of the top 5 QBs. Nobody said that. Honestly we would have preferred Stafford, or Watson, Trevor, probably Wilson also. Since they tried to trade to 3 there is a very good chance they liked a third QB, apparently not Fields. None of us know for sure, what if the Jets took Fields, and Wilson fell. Maybe we were high enough on Wilson to take him with Darnold on the team. That is all people were saying, that the cost of Darnold wouldn’t prevent the team from taking someone if they really liked them. Not sure why you all argued about that as much as you did.

Uhh, apparently you hear what you want, just to be able to argue. What I read said otherwise, basically that Darnold wouldn’t stop the tram from taking a QB they really liked. Hey LinvilleGorge, did you ever say they would take any of the top 5 QBs?

Interior O-line sure, tackles not so much. There are alway exceptions but as a general rule there are certain positions easier to find later in the seat than others. Tackels, especially the type that can play LT, are like QBs, they tend to be over drafted and hard to find. Sooner or later you just need to spend resources on one, or multiple ones, until you find them.

Correct, if Rhule has final say then the GM doesn’t have full control. With that being said Rhule probably did realize he didn’t have time to handle all of the GM duties and he probably does give Fitterer considerable autonomy but at the end of the day whoever has final say has full control.

I don’t expect Horn to play great this year either. All of these guys you need to give a few years to accurately judge.