AU-panther

So what is a good metric? Since points don’t mean anything in a football game

Made something??? We are 30th https://www.teamrankings.com/nfl/stat/opponent-points-per-game?date=2023-11-27

if you are referring to the tweet linked to me earlier, Frank doesn't tell Holder, Holder tells Frank who he think Frank wants. Thats totally different.

what did he say? We know about the "find a court in charlotte" comment, was there something else?

here again, it's not mutually exclusive. Saying Tepper pushed for Young, doesn't mean everyone else wanted Stroud. This is the entire problem with this entire narrative around here, people are inferring things based off of their own agenda. At the start of the draft season Tepper could have made it clear that he wanted to invest a drafted QB, the majority of the front office could have decided Young was the best option, and then Tepper could have pushed for the team to make it happen. Tepper might have even been the deciding voice if they were split over it. That is the same as Tepper heavily influencing the QB choice. Doesn't mean everyone else wanted Stroud.

Where exactly did you get confirmation that Fitterer, Reich, and McCown all wanted Stroud?

what exactly did they quote? I know there is the clip of "finding a court in charlotte" or whatever but was there more? I'm not saying there isn't a possibility that McCown liked Stroud more, just curious as to these quotes you are referencing.

I'm thinking we go the "hot" OC route for several reasons. Tried the CEO program builder (Rhule) didn't work. Tried the experienced HC Route, didn't' work. Also, for various reasons we have an incentive to make Bryce Young work. all this points to: Frank Smith, Ben Johnson, Bobby Slowik My guess is Slowik.

so... he was a decision made by a bunch of people who made other bad decisions, but he magically was a good decision. Like I said earlier, he might be great at what he does, but the fact is the front office as a whole has done terrible the past few years, safer thing is usually to clear house. Maybe this whole time he has been voicing concerns about all of the terrible decisions done and in that case I could see you make that argument, but in reality, I don't think your preference to keep him is based on anything tangible.

What reason to keep him? Don't get me wrong, he might be great but seriously what are you basing such a definitive answer on?

My point exactly, these reports don't tell me anything definitive. Holders piece says the owner engages, ok, so waht, that doesn't say that Reich wanted Stroud. Also in Stephan's tweet he says HE told Reich who he thought Frank wanted on his past comments. Here again, he isn't reporting that Frank said he wanted him. Also the fact that someone reports that the owner heavily "influenced" the choice for Young doesn't mean that only Tepper wanted Young and nobody else did. That is the problem with this entire narrative, just because Tepper liked Young the most that doesn't mean nobody else did. Those things aren't mutually exclusive. I do think there is a chance Frank might have preferred a different QB, totally possible but the fact is the only articles from connected sources that have specifically said who Frank liked stated he like Young, as did Fitt.

I would be a bit surprised if Morgan is still here after this season, so I'm not sure if his acquaintance helps anyone. McCloughan would be tempting. Like you said he has some baggage, but he does have history of being an excellent talent evaluator. In regard to McClay, Dallas does do a good job in regard to talent acquisition but with Jerry and his son I have my questions who gets the credit.

It "Seems", lol Don't get me wrong, there is a chance that Frank wanted Stroud, I'm not saying he didn't, but a lot of the articles are inferring things. The only articles from reputable, connected reporters (the guys you tend to take as gospel), where they actually put a name to a QB, tend to say both Fitt and Frank liked Bryce from the start. That was said around draft time and even recently. You were quick to post the article where they had the magical moment when they both revealed their choice to each other.

I would guess he is fired at the end of the season. Not much reason to do it right now.

This idea of him being too impulsive is overplayed around here and a narrative that really isn't born in fact. Tepper was arguably too patient with Ron, too patient with Hurney, too patient with Rhule, and probably too patient with Fitt. The one football coach that he fired quickly won one game out of this first 11. Also has an offense that is ranked 29th in the league and defense that is ranked 30th. NFL Football Stats - NFL Team Points per Game | TeamRankings.com Any coach that doesn't want to come here because he expects job security after being that bad isn't a coach that we need.

I understand it’s hard to know who is always calling the shots but since he has been here there has been what? 20+ draft picks and 20 something free agent moves? How many have actually been good? How many have been bad? It’s hard to imagine he hasn’t been responsible for any of them.

Simple question: Do you think Fitt has done a good job?

This is why it’s absurd to think a fan couldn’t do as well. You could literally throw darts and do as well.

There is actually a lot of logic in that. Teams have a habit, and often one that gets them in trouble, in thinking they are so right about a prospect being good or bad. Fact is there is some luck in it. Both Fields and Bryce were gamble, Bryce was alot more of a gamble. For example we could have stayed put, and took whatever QB fell to us and saved out picks. Right now, how many people would prefer to have Levis (and DJ) and our #1 pick next year instead of Young? Better chance of finding and developing a QB: Levis + Williams or Maye + Moore or Bryce Young?

Recently someone asked if a fan could do as well as some of the GMs in the league so i decided to look at the last few drafts of our current staff. I left off this years draft because I try not to judge players in their first year, even though it looks bad so far. Also, if I'm wrong about a player status please let me know. 2021 Draft: Pick #8: Jaycee Horn - Hit Pick #59: Terrace Marshall - Pick #70: Brady Christensen Pick #83: Tommy Tremble - Pick #126: Chuba Hubbard - Pick #158: Daviyon Nixon - Miss (off team) Pick #166: Keith Taylor - Miss (off team) Pick #193: Deonte Brown - Miss (off team) Pick #201: Shi Smith - Miss (off team) Pick #204: Thomas Fletcher - Miss (off team) Pick #232: Phil Hoskins - Miss (off team) 2022 Draft Pick #6: Ikem Ekwonu - Hit Pick #94: Matt Corral - Miss (off team) Pick #120: Brandon Smith - Miss (off team) Pick #189: Amare Barno - Pick #199: Cade Mays - Pick #242: Kalon Barnes - Miss (off team) Of the 17 players drafted 9 aren't even on the team. Of the other 8 how many would you really consider above average? Horn and Ekwonu have shown the most promise, but they are also the two top-10 picks. This idea that some fans couldn't do as well is just ludicrous. Honestly some fans would have taken Curtain or Parsons, although some fans might have took Fields. Irony is if we would have took Fields then we wouldn't have traded for Young this year and we would still have DJ Moore and possible #1 pick next year, plus some other draft capital. Some fans also like Slater, which meant the following year you wouldny have drafted Ekwonu. With Ekwonu, a lot of fans were good with that pick. Some liked Cross, some liked Ekwonu, but either way its not like the "professionals" knew better than the fans. Honestly after those two top 10 picks you could probably go to a PFF or NFL.com big board and do about as well.

You might not could…

Best post of the year. you have to be careful using facts around here, most of the posters don’t understand what they are looking at.

But they don’t all succeed, that seem to be the part you don’t understand.

But they aren’t better than 30. I’m not saying most fans would be better than the best GMs, I’m saying there are some fans that would do as well or even better than the worst GMs.

Then why do some of them fail so badly then? I agree that most fans don't know as much as they think, but to think some fans wouldn't do as well as some GMs is ludicrous. If some Gm is only correct 1/8 times do you really think some fan couldn't pull that off?