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PFF actually has a pretty bad grade on Atlanta according to that graph. You are just upset it isn't as bad as ours. Accoding to a site you like to reference, 2021 NFL Advanced Stats | Pro-Football-Reference.com Atlanta really only has one more sack given up, and in reality their pressure rate given up is better than us. Also in the running game they are better than us in yards before contact.

It’s a three game sample. I’m sure everyone at PFF would choose Burns over Paradis if they were building a team. Yards before contact, not yards per carry.

Because when a unit is bad every player on the unit should have the same low score? Not how that works. Speaking of Burns what is his pass rush grade? What is his run grade? Is it possible he is doing well against the pass and not the run?

Cover 1 can actually be tough to run against because it allows 8 men in the box. It’s not necessarily your DB count that dictates your ability to stop the run but it can be your alignment. Base with 2 deep safeties and 7 in the box or nickel wish single high safety with 8 in the box, which is easier to run against. My guess is they load the box to stop the run and play man to try and take away the easy throws for Sam. Look for them to try and force Sam into those intermediate routes.

Everyone sees the D-line get to the QB but a large reason we are having success defensively is because of our coverage. Everyone thinks a D-line makes a secondary look good but in reality your secondary has to be good enough to allow your D-line to be good.

Lol That's yards before contact per carry. That is how many yards the RB gets before getting hit, often a good measure of an O-line. They are actually 13th in the league, which is good. Where are we on that list? 31st which is terrible. If you look at YPC they are 3.9, we are 3.5. 2021 NFL Standings & Team Stats | Pro-Football-Reference.com and I already listed just the RB stats.

I realize that tweet was over three games, my response was you are probably judging AVT based on the one game you saw, you probably didnt' even watch the other two games. Speaking of AVT, what is his pass rush grade? You keep dodging that point because it goes against the narrative of what you are trying to spread. They actually agree with you that he is bad. In regards to their rushing grade, their actual YPC for their RBs is around 3.8 which is higher than ours. The number you are quoting is probably including sacks. So does that mean their O-line is blocking better than ours or is CMC overated? Speaking of sacks how many of those are Wilson's fault? How quickly is Wilson getting the ball out? Sam and the play calling is helping our line tremendously. We've gone over all of this before. What about the TEs? What is their pass block and run block grade? How often do they run 2 TE sets? All of this factors in. Also scoring above 50 doesn't mean PFF thinks they are playing well.

I guess that answers my questions.

because AVT's 3 game grade is totally based on just his snaps against Brown? Speaking of those times DB ate his lunch, did some of them happen to be pass plays? Have you actually looked at AVT's pass block grade? I'll save you the trouble, its atrocious. Also I don't get this idea that PFF is in love with certain teams? What does it benefit them? Why would they want to hold certain players to a different standard? Why would they want to be counterproductive to the one thing they are trying to do which is grading the entire league to a uniform standard. We might not agree with their standard but its what their entire business model is based off of.

lol, what data points do you think they are using to get their grades? That's not how their grades work, they aren't plugging sacks or ypc and such into some formula. Its an eye test, each player is graded independently on each play. What data point do you actually think they are off on? They can add up sacks just like you can, but what they are doing is assigning blame to the correct person. Maybe that sack was on the TE missing his block, or the QB not throwing to his wide open 1st read, whereas the fan sees 6 sacks and automatically thinks the OL has to be the worst in the league. Did you ever actually look up their grade after the game against us, you have gone on and on about them being ranked 10th but that was after two games. Their grade was actually pretty bad against us.

Where did they have the Jets O-line ranked after the first game? You keep talking about all the pressure we got in the first game but what was their rank then? It wasn't 10th. You are making all the assumptions about a 2 week grade on the basis of what you saw in the first week game. And you can't ignore the fact he has the second highest time to throw, how many of those sacks are on Wilson? I know it is hard for people to understand but sacks are also a QB stat. How many yards did they have rushing their second game? What was their YPC second game? Of that #10 rating what was the breakdown of their run block and pass block? They actually had a really good rushing game the second game, I'm sure that is heavily influencing their overall grade. How about their tight ends? That stat you linked is the cumulative grade of their 5 OL. How often are they in 22 personel? (which is two tight ends) What was the pass block grades of their TEs? Run block of their TEs? Their TEs were last in pass block grade in the league. Which is scary because they use 2 TEs second most in the league. I'm not saying PFF is perfect, far from it. Also I'm not saying the Jets are exactly the 10th best OL after two weeks, but I think you are coming to a very strong conclusion based off of some limited data points.

You are drawing conclusions from incomplete stats Sacks are often a QB stat, not just an O-line stat. For example is the QB getting rid of the ball as quick as he should Passing Stats | NFL Next Gen Stats Wilson has the 2nd highest TT (time to throw) in the league. The o-line is getting him time. What about rushing? The Jets YPC average is almost 25% higher than ours, 3.3 to 4.1. We have a $16m RB who most consider one of the best in the league. That doesn't seem to add up. Either their O-line is doing better for him than our O-line or CMC is grossly overpaid. Fan view of an O-line. RB A on Team A gets 100 yards on 20 carries. RB B on Team B gets 90 yards on 20 carries. Fan logic believes RB A is the better RB and Team A O-line is the better O-line. Possible PFF view: RB A on Team A gets 100 yards on 20 carries, of which 20 of the yards are coming after contact. RB B on Team B gets 90 yards on 20 carries, of which 60 of the yards are coming after contact. PFF logic, RB B is better. What about O-line? RB A on Team A gets 100 yards on 20 carries, but first contact average is 2.2 yards. RB B on Team B gets 90 yards on 20 carries, but first contact average is 3.0 yards. Fan thinks Team A has the better O-line but in reality Team B O-line is doing better. I'm not saying PFF is perfect, but just looking at a few stats out of context can be very misleading.

Pff grades aren't some formula based off of stats. A D-lineman can be negatively graded on a running play even if the RB didn't have much success. Maybe that D-lineman got beat but another player made a great play to stop the RB for a small gain. Fans watch the game, PFF watches the player. Fans see a running play for a 2 yard gain and automatically think everyone did their job. Maybe a certain D-lineman got pushed around on that play but it was away from the ball. Fans never see it.

Maybe they look at rushing snaps also?

I agree that our O-line probably isn't as bad as a lot of Huddlers think, same was true last year, but you can't just judge an o-line off of sacks and pressures. Sacks and pressures are not just O-line and D-lines stats. They are products of the QB and OC also. WR's and the secondary also have a huge influence on them also. How many sacks happen after a QBs first read is covered? Fact is our system and play calling is very O-line friendly. Just because our offense if functioning somewhat well that doesn't mean our O-line couldn't improve.

If Brown sees snaps it will be at RG, not LG.

based on the early review on PFF he have up 3 of the 6 pressures. NFL Week 2 Game Recap: Carolina Panthers 26, New Orleans Saints 7 | NFL News, Rankings and Statistics | PFF

Shocked about what? I think most people expected us to be Jets, they were one of the worst two teams in the league last year. Saints are starting a new QB, on the road, with a substantial number of their team out for various reasons. Next week is a team that was worse then us last year with Desean Watson at QB. We have a very favorable schedule this year.

During the offseason I said that I though there was a chance we could be a top 10 defense in points allowed per game. At the time some people thought that was a ridiculous statement. Between the fact we were middle of the pack last year, several young players going into their 2nd year, and an easy schedule I thought it was possible. I'm sure there will be games we give up 30+ points, but when the season is all over, who feels we have a chance of being a top-10 defense? Are these first 2 games going to be outliers or can we expect the trend to continue?

They are too busy complaining to actually take the time to count. So 8 is pretty standard for NFL teams. of the three backups you have: Tecklenburg for backup center, which Brown can not do. BC for backup OT, which Brown can not do. So basically the staff is taking Daley over Brown, a 6th rounder in his second game? ...... this is our biggest coaching problem???

Who are the active OL? Erving, Elflein, Paradis, Miller, Moton BC, Daley, Tecklenburg? Who am i including that isn't there? Someone said only 7 active.

We aren't carrying 4 TE's for the offense, its special teams probably. I'm pretty sure all 4 got ST snaps last week. A lot of teams carry more TEs than just the ones you think about being part of the offense.

....but if we had a good LT our QB would have 8 secs to throw on every pass play and our running back would get 10 yards before first contact every rushing play and we would outscore everyone. You have to be careful using facts around here, you are going to mess with peoples unrealistic expectations.

Wouldn’t you think a team would already have tried to exploit the rookie in his first game?They just gave him a pass to be nice to him in his first game? Here again I just think maybe you are overthinking the idea of him getting game planned for.

He is an OT, he might play worse in the future, maybe this one game was an outlier, but his performance in the future won’t fluctuate because of teams “game planning for him”. He isn’t some duel threat RB that you are going to spy. the vast majority of his reps are going to be 1v1 battles against some D-lineman.