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One of them graded in the 60s, which isn’t that high, which he didn’t have much competition to be in the top 5. Also you do realize when a sack or pressure is given up it usually isn't the fault of the entire line. that’s the entire point of off, they watch each player on each play, whereas most fans such as yourself just watch the ball and when you see a sack you start complaining about the entire line.

In the absence of insight you are allowed to use logic. If Nicole was not in the draft room do you feel like we would not have magically not traded up for Johnson? Of course we would have still done it. Even speculating, common sense tells you we still would have. Any other guess is purely agenda driven.

Do you honestly think she made the decision to trade for DJ? She made the phone call, big deal.l, she conveyed what the front office!and coaches had already decided. The GM and his staff make their big board. If we drafted him it was because the did their due diligence and thought he was good value, for a need, at that point in the draft. As far as listed as team leadership, formality to be in certain meetings. As far as the coaching search, do you think she swayed the owners decision?

What major role do you think she really has?

I doubt he is the only owner in the league who talks to their coaches on a weekly basis. Not to mention, if you look like the worst team in the league you might need talking to. All this meddling talk is overblown. How many draft decisions did Tepper overrule the GM (Or coach if he had final say) on?

I didn't say he didn't influence or meddle, I said he probably isn't making these decisions on his own. If he liked Bryce Young its most likely because most of the front office presented Bryce as the best pick. This idea that Tepper liked Bryce and everyone else like Stroud is just stupid. There are multiple reports that Tepper admits he doesn't know the football side, especially the evaluation side. I seriously doubt he and his wife are scouting these players and creating their own big board. If we traded up for DJ Johnson it was because the front office had him high on their big board and they felt, he was a worthy pick at a position of need. In reality all of this Tepper hate has done nothing but cover up how bad the organization has done from a personnel standpoint. Just ask yourself this: If the HC, OC, GM, scouts, and Caldwell all liked Stroud more do you really think Tepper would have overruled all of them to take Bryce? Makes no sense.

you people are getting trolled. The chance of actually making the decisions on her own is somewhere close to zero, let alone being the GM. Just because she makes the phone call to trade up for a player doesn't mean she is making the decisions. Do you honestly think that was her idea? That was a player that the front office and coaches wanted, she did the formality of making the call. No different if you tell a staffer to make the call.

Where exactly did he say he was trying to be the smartest person in the room? He was far from the only person in the NFL who had Rhule on his radar.

Serious question, what exactly has Wilson done to warrant being kept? Outside of being a name people recognize from their playing days.

??? Who is this analytics guy you speak of?

But how much is he really the deciding factor in their success? Doesn’t Jerry and his son have the reputation of making most of the picks?

Problem is I don't see us, or any team getting one without the other.

Maybe they did explain it really well, hence the reason he was OK giving up a king's ransom to move up to #1. People are acting like he is coming up with these ideas on his own. I seriously doubt he sat down and scouted the top 4 QBs by himself and then decided to move up to one on his own accord. Most likely somebody convinced him that Bryce was worth that. He might have influenced the staff to find a QB, and once they decided Bryce was QB1 he might have influenced them to go their guy, but this narrative that he alone decided Bryce was the guy is most likely false and very unlikely. Somebody or some combination of the HC, GM, OC, or Caldwell would be my guess.

I'm not saying he wants to be here, but there is a chance that New England is ready for a fresh start. Bill might not get the chance to coach that top QB prospect.

My guess is we go with an offensive type of coach that has a history of making young QBs work. Not sure if Bill fits that description.

maybe, but I think some of that is probably overblown to a degree. You hear a few random reports from unnamed people that he is meddling and then next thing you know half the fan base thinks he is making every draft pick on his own. Having a weekly meeting with your HC asking him to explain why he is winless can be considered meddling by some. Sitting in on meetings and asking people to explain their thought process can be considered meddling by some. Telling your coaches and front office it's time to draft a QB can be considered meddling. If anything, all of this talk about him meddling has kind of let the front office off the hook about a lot of questionable personnel decisions.

Thats a very logical opinion. If we believe that is too be true and also that Frank and possible McCown preferred Stroud, who is left to prefer Young? I don't buy that it was just Tepper.

There seems to be a lot of so called "fans" around here who seem to be going out of their way to make things seem as bad as possible to the outside world. One narrative I'm seeing a lot of is that Tepper is impatient and doesn't give people time to do their job. Let's try to look at facts here: Was he too patient or impatient with Ron? Was he too patient or impatient with Hurney? Was he too patient or impatient with Rhule? Was he too patient or impatient with Frank? Was he too patient or impatient with Fitt?

"Roster Builder" Does that means a different GM?

So with Frank getting fired there has been several narratives that are being pushed repeatedly. One of which is that Frank got Bryce forced on him. This is largely based on some reports that Tepper had heavy influence in us selecting Bryce. " Heavy influence" in itself is a pretty vague term. Did Tepper during the offseason tell the front office and coaches we needed to draft one of the top QBs and develop them? That is very possible, we had tried the retread route for the previous 5 years, didn't seem to work. By most accounts it was a pretty good QB class, and we had a really high pick. Honestly a lot of the fans wanted us to go that route. That would be considered influencing. What if the majority of the front office and coaches preferred Young and Tepper agreed with that and said let's make it happen. Owners usually sign off on big trades, especially to #1. That would also be considered influencing. What I don't believe though is that everyone in the organization wanted Stroud, but Tepper overruled them for Bryce. That just doesn't make sense, as the article that Mr. Scot just linked from Albert Breer states that Tepper often knows his limitations from a football perspective. I can't see him overruling the HC, GM, OC, QB coach, and Caldwell if they all felt like Stroud was better. Maybe if everyone was split, he was the deciding factor, that would be possible, more probably was that the majority liked Young and it wasn't so much Tepper influencing them to choose Young, but them influencing Tepper to prefer Young. Once all the parties presented the arguments for both Tepper could have preferred Young, that is very possible. If anythign Tepper's influence was more to go "get your guy" and their guy being Young. There is also a lot of talk about Frank liking Stroud, a lot of that is based on some guy telling Frank he has an idea of who Frank likes based on waht Frank preferring in the past. Let me clarify this isn't Frank saying what type of QB he likes, but some reporter telling Frank that he thinks he knows what Frank likes. Either way lets go with the Idea that Frank did like Stroud, maybe even McCown also, then who is left to steer Tepper towards Young. If Stroud fits the profile of, what Frank likes couldn't you make an argument that maybe Fitt liked Young, Fitt was used to a successful QB in Seattle who was short, also one of the plusses for Young in most scouting reports was his ability to make things happen outside of structure, which is very similar to Russ. Maybe the scouts preferred Young, maybe the OC? It's not crazy to think the GM and HC were split on which QB to take.

Not really. Most people who are using that tweet are doing so to point out that Tepper wasn’t the only one involved.

Keep twisting . what exactly did Holder say? Open secret that he influenced the decision doesn’t guarantee that Frank wanted Stroud. Frank could have, that’s very possible but you are extrapolating what you want out of a statement that isn’t mutually exclusive.

But those people were not quick to post that tweet since it doesn’t fit their agenda even though they are quick to post anything that does.

I know a lot of the so-called fans are hoping for the worst possible outcome, just so they criticize Tepper more, so you have this narrative that we won't be able to attract a top coach, but the fact is these jobs are rare. Is there always a chance there are a few certain coaches that might not want to coach here, maybe, but that can happen with other teams also. Either way they should be able to come up with some qualified candidates. The important part is picking the correct one. Luckily some in the national media understand this: https://x.com/RapSheet/status/1729186476359827490?s=20

Here again, show me where Holder said Reich himself preferred Stroud. The tweet said holder said he (he as in Holder ) knew the type of QB Reich liked. He isn’t quoting Frank he is quoting himself. Here again, deep down, Frank might have but let’s don’t misinterpret tweets to prove something that you want to be true.