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Paradis has been in the league for a while and actually has been a good center for part of his career, I seriously doubt our problems are as simple as protection calls. Our problem is talent.

that still doesn't say who to assign the sack to. Also Sam is starting to leave the pocket when 73's man dives at his legs. Here again I'm not saying the line did great on the play, you are the one caught up who to assign the sack to, which you still haven't answered.

did Elflein guy get the sack? no, so you can't assign it to him Actually Elflein probably got a neutral grade on that play. He blocked his guy ok, Miller's guy's acutally got past Miller and peeled off and basically blindsided Elflein. That would happen to most centers and honestly his guy still got pushed back behind Sam. I'm not saying the line did great but who the sack is attributed to is irrelevant. From a grading perspective, which all teams do after the game, Jordan probably got a negative grade for giving up the early pressure that caused Sam to run into the sack. Miller might have got a negative grade also for letting his man cross his face so easy and getting depth.

yeah that one

they assigned 2 to the O-line, people just inferred the other 5 were on the QB. Here again, look at that second play and tell me who gets assigned the sack?

and I'm sure they got assigned a pressure. Just because the line didn't get assigned the sack doesn't mean Sam got blamed for it. This is grading, not stats. Jordan's man was the main reason the sack happened but he didn't actually get the sack so it won't be assigned to him. Moton's man actually got the sack but he was doing his job so it won't get assigned to him either. You are inferring that since they didn't assign the sack to the line they are automatically blaming Sam and that was never said.

2 and 3 are the same play. 4 wasn't a sack. at most there were 2 sacks shown. On the second one who do you blame for the sack? Sam left the pocket because of pressure by Jordan's man but the actual sack was done by Moton's man, but it really wasn't Moton's fault.

but you get multiple chances so what's better over time? an 85%chance of a good player or a 70% chance of a good player + a 35% chance of a good player and yes I made those numbers up for illustration purposes, but based on the current trade value chart the stats tend to favor trading down.

That is the same thing people said about staying put and taking Brown instead of trading back and drafting someone like Wirfs. Fans always think there is some talent cliff that just so happens to be at the exact spot they are picking. BPA doesn't work for QBs or OTs (specifically ones that might can play LT), they are almost always overdrafted. There is no such thing as a sure thing in drafting, look at Matt Kalil and Greg Robinson.

What do you think? Do we trust this staff to know? Little scary

Honestly that might not be the option that people want the most but It might be a better option than what could happen.

He isn't too obsessed if he let his HC sign Teddy, trade for Sam and then pass on several QBs in this year's draft. I don't think Tepper is going to specifically sit down with Rhule and say, "draft a guy and I'll give you two years to develop him". Rhule has to think this is a make-or-break season for him and I'm guessing the offseason moves and the draft will be influenced by that, which to be honest is scary.

What is more likely for Rhule to believe for saving his job if he makes it to year 3? Draft an OL or another non-QB and build around Sam or some FA QB or draft a QB and show enough growth in year one to save his job?

The totals listed at the bottom of the tweet that Zod posted at first don't add up to the totals to the players pictures, which some of the stats might be on backups. Also the quick write up by PFF after the game had us at 18 pressures, which PFF is quick to say that is a very preliminary grading. If someone had the higher level subscription to PFF we could check for sure. Also I would be curious to know how PFF and ESPN define hits, knockdowns and pressures. I'm guessing there is some difference between the two of them. I do know that PFF is fond of saying that sacks are a QB stat as much as an Oline stat and usually they attribute more to the QBs than a fan would.

When it comes to drafting a team should almost think of having 3 starting tackles. They are just too hard to find in free agency and too valuable on the field. Worse case he is your swing tackle when someone gets hurts, which honestly usually happens at some point in the year.

I'm just nervous that we are so use to terrible play at the LT position we might be getting excited over above average or average play. Being an improvement over what we have had in the past really isn't saying much. What is BC's ceiling at LT? maybe its just average or above average. What is his ceiling at guard? Maybe its elite. Like you said we have to trust this staff to do an honest evaluation of it before the next draft. This is part of the reason I wish he would have got more playing time throughout the year, would be easier to have an accurate evaluation of him. Don't get me wrong, I would love for him to turn into a quality LT, that would open up a lot of options for us.

you shouldn't wait until you are desperate to make a "true investment"

Sound logic ^ Any other positions are easier to find later in the draft or free agency. Even if you want to give out a monster contract there is no guarntee there is a quality QB or LT available most years in free agency.

Agree A lot of the people that want us to go OT in the draft are the same people who want us to get rid of Sam, but I think if we go OT in the draft that means there is a good chance, they plan on going with Sam next year.

Sacks are a QB stat as much as a o-line stat. PFF will often assign the sack to the QB.

I do wonder though, if ultimately he would be better at guard. Our LT procuction has been so bad historically we thrilled with average or above average, but could he be elite at guard? Short term he is helping us more by improving the LT positions but if we draft a LT (especially in the 1st) would the overall line be better with him at guard?

according to the quick recap that PFF does NFL Week 17 Game Recap: New Orleans Saints 18, Carolina Panthers 10 | NFL News, Rankings and Statistics | PFF He gave up the most pressures on the line. This fan base is so use to awful at the LT position they are happy with below average.

Because QBs are washed up at 29 like RBs?

I’ve never said you draft one regardless, just this idea that you build the oline first and a great QB prospect will be waiting on you in the future is dangerous. It’s a lot easier to build a decent Oline than finding an elite QB, if you like a guy you better roll the dice. I'm not sure I would roll pick #6 dice on one of these QBs, but I am it convinced trams will have late first round grades on all of them. Maybe they should

And then in 2024 we can draft a QB and he will take 2 years to develop so we might be competitive by 2026