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If Tepper is not letting the staff mortgage the future is he really letting football people do their job? We actually need the opposite. If he keeps Rhule, I'm guessing Rhule is going to try and win now, Tepper needs to step in and not let him do something stupid.

We traded for Sam Darnold, is any QB really a crazy idea?

what percentage would you say? and are we talking starters or all-pro level?

People need to consider positional value also, not just how much value they add to winning but their cost relative to replacing them in free agency. Here is why center is riskier than a LT: #6 pick is going to get a 4 year contract worth about $8m a year. The 12th highest center in the league makes less than that. The 5th highest only makes $10.8m. So basically, if you draft a center that high he better turn out to be one of the best centers in the league or you are losing value, and even if is a top-5 center you still aren't gaining as much value as a player at a different position. In comparison: The fifth highest LT in the league makes $18m a year, the 10th makes $14.9m. The 20th highest makes $8m. Now of course salary isn't always equal to production, but you can make the argument that if you draft a LT and if he just turns out to be average it's still a good deal relative to his rookie pay scale. You can actually miss on more high value positions in the draft and still come out ahead of a team that hits on a higher percentage of low value positions.

I would prefer a LT, drafting centers that high can be really risky from a positional value standpoint.

There is no sidestep, he bolts

no, it was Jordans man that caused the initial pressure that started the entire chain of events that caused the sack. Watch the play in slow motion, Sam starts to leave the pocket when Jordan's defender dives at his legs and that is even before Elflein gets pushed to the side of him. Also most centers in that situation are going to get pushed back if they get hit unexpected from the side like he was. Maybe that is poor communication but that is on Miller to communicate that his guy is looping, Elflein isn't even looking that way. Jordan easily got beat the worst on the play.

If we end up picking 5th or 6th don't you think we will still be able to get one of those 3 LTs even with a trade down to around 10?

George Karlaftis DE Purdue | NFL Draft 2022 Scouting Report (nfldraftbuzz.com) I would like to think there is no chance of this happening, but you never know with this staff. Here is the logic: Rhule is trying to win now so he passes on a QB. BC is playing well enough that the team decides they can make do with him at LT and guards can be upgraded easier later in the draft or in free agency. With that thinking what is the one positions that might actually have the biggest impact in year 1? A big edge.

Paradis has been in the league for a while and actually has been a good center for part of his career, I seriously doubt our problems are as simple as protection calls. Our problem is talent.

that still doesn't say who to assign the sack to. Also Sam is starting to leave the pocket when 73's man dives at his legs. Here again I'm not saying the line did great on the play, you are the one caught up who to assign the sack to, which you still haven't answered.

did Elflein guy get the sack? no, so you can't assign it to him Actually Elflein probably got a neutral grade on that play. He blocked his guy ok, Miller's guy's acutally got past Miller and peeled off and basically blindsided Elflein. That would happen to most centers and honestly his guy still got pushed back behind Sam. I'm not saying the line did great but who the sack is attributed to is irrelevant. From a grading perspective, which all teams do after the game, Jordan probably got a negative grade for giving up the early pressure that caused Sam to run into the sack. Miller might have got a negative grade also for letting his man cross his face so easy and getting depth.

yeah that one

they assigned 2 to the O-line, people just inferred the other 5 were on the QB. Here again, look at that second play and tell me who gets assigned the sack?

and I'm sure they got assigned a pressure. Just because the line didn't get assigned the sack doesn't mean Sam got blamed for it. This is grading, not stats. Jordan's man was the main reason the sack happened but he didn't actually get the sack so it won't be assigned to him. Moton's man actually got the sack but he was doing his job so it won't get assigned to him either. You are inferring that since they didn't assign the sack to the line they are automatically blaming Sam and that was never said.

2 and 3 are the same play. 4 wasn't a sack. at most there were 2 sacks shown. On the second one who do you blame for the sack? Sam left the pocket because of pressure by Jordan's man but the actual sack was done by Moton's man, but it really wasn't Moton's fault.

but you get multiple chances so what's better over time? an 85%chance of a good player or a 70% chance of a good player + a 35% chance of a good player and yes I made those numbers up for illustration purposes, but based on the current trade value chart the stats tend to favor trading down.

That is the same thing people said about staying put and taking Brown instead of trading back and drafting someone like Wirfs. Fans always think there is some talent cliff that just so happens to be at the exact spot they are picking. BPA doesn't work for QBs or OTs (specifically ones that might can play LT), they are almost always overdrafted. There is no such thing as a sure thing in drafting, look at Matt Kalil and Greg Robinson.

What do you think? Do we trust this staff to know? Little scary

Honestly that might not be the option that people want the most but It might be a better option than what could happen.

He isn't too obsessed if he let his HC sign Teddy, trade for Sam and then pass on several QBs in this year's draft. I don't think Tepper is going to specifically sit down with Rhule and say, "draft a guy and I'll give you two years to develop him". Rhule has to think this is a make-or-break season for him and I'm guessing the offseason moves and the draft will be influenced by that, which to be honest is scary.

What is more likely for Rhule to believe for saving his job if he makes it to year 3? Draft an OL or another non-QB and build around Sam or some FA QB or draft a QB and show enough growth in year one to save his job?

The totals listed at the bottom of the tweet that Zod posted at first don't add up to the totals to the players pictures, which some of the stats might be on backups. Also the quick write up by PFF after the game had us at 18 pressures, which PFF is quick to say that is a very preliminary grading. If someone had the higher level subscription to PFF we could check for sure. Also I would be curious to know how PFF and ESPN define hits, knockdowns and pressures. I'm guessing there is some difference between the two of them. I do know that PFF is fond of saying that sacks are a QB stat as much as an Oline stat and usually they attribute more to the QBs than a fan would.

When it comes to drafting a team should almost think of having 3 starting tackles. They are just too hard to find in free agency and too valuable on the field. Worse case he is your swing tackle when someone gets hurts, which honestly usually happens at some point in the year.

I'm just nervous that we are so use to terrible play at the LT position we might be getting excited over above average or average play. Being an improvement over what we have had in the past really isn't saying much. What is BC's ceiling at LT? maybe its just average or above average. What is his ceiling at guard? Maybe its elite. Like you said we have to trust this staff to do an honest evaluation of it before the next draft. This is part of the reason I wish he would have got more playing time throughout the year, would be easier to have an accurate evaluation of him. Don't get me wrong, I would love for him to turn into a quality LT, that would open up a lot of options for us.