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Maybe, but he might actually do ok in some power schemes, especially as a LG being asked to pull a lot. He actually has the athleticism to pull and to also get to the next level depending on the run play. Honestly where he plays in the future is going to be hugely influenced by our next OC and OL coach. Trying to decide where he is best at now is bit pointless.

Bengals just won a playoff game because they found a QB. Their fans have hope for the next 15 years because they found a QB. The Bills just won a playoff game because they found a QB. Their fans have hope for the next 15 years because they found a QB. Everyone wants that Luck or Lawrance type of prospect but that very rarely happens. Look at Burrow and Allen, opposite ends of the spectrum. Allen has loads of physical tools, but he played for a smaller school and had accuracy problems, just like Trey Lance. How often last year did people talk about Lance being too risky. On the other hand, Burrow played for a bigtime school, great accuracy, and great production, but how often did people talk about his "low ceiling". He could be in this year's draft and half of our fans would complain because he can 't run fast enough or throw hard enough. You don't need a great O-line to win in this league, but you do need a good QB. Heck you don't even need a good o-line if your QB is good enough. Conversely it doesn't matter how great your O-line is if your QB is terrible. A great QB with an average line will win a lot more than a great O-line with an average QB, there is only so much your O-line can do. Problem with our fan base is our O-line has been so historically bad everyone has lost track of that. Finding a good QB is hard, you can do everything right and it still now work out, you have to take your chances and hope for some good fortune. Finding a "good enough" O-line is the easy part of the equation. Not saying every staff can, not saying our staff can, but overall putting together a good enough O-line is a lot more predictable than finding a franchise QB.

Here is another tweet by Mike Renner in regards to Sam Howell He also has a mock draft with Sam being the 1st QB off the board, going to the Panthers. 2022 NFL Mock Draft: Carolina Panthers select QB Sam Howell at No. 6, New Orleans Saints land Ole Miss QB Matt Corral at No. 16 | NFL Draft | PFF

Not looking to get into the QB vs OL debate, but I think at the very least there will be some people around here with some interest in this year's QB class. We all can easily find the basic stats such as completion percentage, yards, and TDs, but during the draft season there will be plenty of other stats and tidbits about these guys, usually in the form of tweets. I'll try to keep what I find in this one thread. Feel free to add to it, it might help people form an opinion one way or the other about these guys. I'll start it off with a longest throw comparison I saw on Twitter. These aren't necessarily the longest throws they can make, but instead the longest throws they attempted this past season.

People are just looking for things to complain about at this point. All of this arm length and to a lesser extent the versatility talk has just took a life of its own. If I'm going to criticize Rhule its going to be more about signing Teddy and then trading for Sam.

Everyone becomes an expert with hindsight. Rhule needs to learn to say less. He wasn't the only person in the league who had doubts about Slater playing LT at a high level, he should have just said they had Horn rated higher and both positions were needs and leave it at that.

Doesn’t look like that is going to happen so I’m the meantime I’ll take any change that might help

So you would prefer him just to do nothing?

Reddick probably had over 800 snaps, there is a lot more that goes into a grade than just 11 sacks. also 67 isn’t horrible

Doesn’t matter. Getting rid of some of the bad coaches is better than none of the bad coaches even if the methodology is bad.

We all get that, but the reality is it doesn't look like it's going to happen. Next best thing is for him to get rid of the bad coaches under him and try to replace them with better coaches. These moves are a start.

I get that, but to be honest whether any of us are upset or not really doesn't matter at this point. As a fan I might not get the changes that i want but hopefully the changes that do happen work out. These seem like good moves. Our O-line was terrible. I think most of us agree the talent might not be there but there did seem to be a lot of communication issues, which is often a by product of coaching. D-line struggled against the run. Pass rushing is often talent, run D is often about discipline and responsibility, which is often coaching.

Maybe, but my point is its a bit of a double standard to be upset that Rhule has his inexperienced "buddies" as coaches but then you get upset if he replaces Chase, who let's be honest, doesn't really have a great coaching resume. Apparently its ok if it's a former, well-liked player.

The special teams were bad. You can't just look at FGs made, that is so much on the kicker. Look at your coverage and return teams, compare it to the rest of the league. Go pull up some expected results stats such as DVOA.

I know everyone wanted Rhule gone, but that doesn't look like it will happen. Getting rid of 3 coaches that were in charge of three units that underachieved isn't a bad thing.

So we are going to criticize Rhule for having his inexperienced buddies on his roster but then get upset if he lets Chase go even though Chase doesn't really have an impressive resume and is one of those typical, well liked, gritty, ex-players that coaches usually give a job to. Let's try to be consistent here.

So a guy, who possible, could have at the very least, been partially responsible for both the Erving and Elflein signing is now being praised by fans for his offensive lineman knowledge???????

Everyone wants to know what someone would join this "dumpster fire". Two reasons, money and opportunity. Fans see all these multimillion dollar contracts that HCs get and lose sight of what coordinators and positions coaches make. A young position coach maybe has never made over 300k in their life, and honesty most years they made way less than that trying to get their foot in the door. If someone throws $1m at them that is hard to turn down. Everyone likes to say just wait for the better job, there is and always will be more candidates than openings.

trading him after June 1st would actually free up cap space next year, around $8.6m His cap hit next year is supposed to be $14.3m, if he is traded after June 1st his cap hit would be 5.7m in 2022, so a savings of around $8.6m. Since it was a post June 1st cut you would $12.8m in dead money still to account for in 2023, which would be less than the $17.7m he is expected to be on the books for that year. Also his contract really wouldn't be that bad for a team that trades for him. You have to remember that we have already paid his signing bonus. The next team would basically get him for 4yrs/44m with only $8.1m guaranteed in the form of 2022 salary. $11m a year isn't crazy for one of the better playmakers in the league according to some. Especially a team that thinks they are in Super Bowl contention. Christian McCaffrey Contract Breakdowns, Salary Cap Figures, Salaries, Bonuses | Spotrac

QB class is terrible. 6 is too high for a QB. QB won't help in year one. BC is developing nicely at LT. Too early for an IOL. You don't pass on an elite talent in the top-10 to chase need. I can hear all of the excuses now. I totally expect a pick none of us are expecting. This place will implode. Maybe a safety isn't bad, it could be a corner.

Its rather impressive how bad our offensive actually is. Not that EPA is the end all be all, a lot of people also like DVOA, but it's often better than just looking at PPG or YPG to measure both defenses and offenses. I know some people, either don't like stats or don't understand them, but there does seem to a fairly high correlation between EPA and actually win/loss records.

No you didn't, but whatever So Rhule told Fitt to find a LT, but the fact the LT is bad that is on Rhule and Fitt has no responsibility in it at all.

lol like usual you deflect so you feel like Fitt had no influence on some of these terrible free agency decisions? So Rhule did all the work coming up with Sam, Erving, Elflein all by himself?

Questions about Fitt, all the terrible FA decisions, do you feel they all fall on Rhule? Or is it possible that Fitt was behind some of them. Rhule might have had final say but it would be naive to think Fitt didn't actually come up with at least some of the ideas, wouldn't it? Part of me agrees with you, maybe Fitt and Morgan can be a good team but I keep going to back to what I said above.

dead horse anyone? and RR didn't have a say when Hurney came back? People need to wake up, its a HC driven league. Owners are fighting over HCs, not GMs, the concessions are going to the HCs. Look at Lynch and Shannahan. Alot more HCs have final say than what fans realize. Was Tepper's selection of Rhule the best choice, doesn't look like it right now. With Rhules limited NFL experience was it risky? of course, but the concept of this type of structure isn't as crazy as people think. Lets say Tepper decides to get rid of Rhule and Hackett is the hottest prospect on the market. Would you let him have final say over personnel to get him to come here? Do you want a GM driven organization? Thats fine, and there are organizations like that, but when it comes to finding a new coach you might limit your choices.