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I agree he has a pretty good arm but its a bit of a stretch to say he has most NFL throws out of all all the prospects based on a highlight video. According to this: 2022 NFL Mock Draft: Carolina Panthers select QB Sam Howell at No. 6, New Orleans Saints land Ole Miss QB Matt Corral at No. 16 | NFL Draft | PFF Howell actually leads all of the QBs for most big time throws over the last 3 years.

People that criticize Pickett need to be consistent and not criticize Rhule over his arm length comments.

I can agree it can be concerning but the question that the evaluators have to answer is was it because he was slow to process or because he knew his OL could give him ample time. The little bit I watched of him his O-line seemed to do a really good job.

Right now my money for next year would be either High draft pick LT, BC or FA, Elflein, BC or FA, Moton or BC, Draft Pick/FA, Elflein, Draft Pick/FA, Moton Also, I wouldn't get your hopes about Brown solidifying the RG spot. It would save us some resources, but he was a late round pick for a reason.

Everybody wants to complain about the versatility comments by Rhule but the day Erving and Elflein were signed it was pretty obvious that Erving was signed to be the day 1 starter at LT and that Elflein was slotted to start at LG with the possibility of transitioning to center in 2022.

My comment was directed at those that say you should wait a year to draft a QB because it will be a better class of QBs. If that is true you are going to need a higher draft pick so why are you trying to improve the team. Thise two mindsets are counter productive.

If we are going Oline in the draft on the argument that that next years QB class is better then why would we chase free agents this year.

pretty much Final 2021 NFL Offensive Line Rankings | NFL News, Rankings and Statistics | PFF very few teams have 5 above average players, fans severely overstate that. Look at teams in the top half, especially in that 10-15 range. Like the Packers, and Cardinels, and Bills, you know really good playoff teams.

The browns were not bad because they kept picking QBs, there were bad because they were bad at picking at QBs. Also you don’t need 5 great lineman, hardly any team has that. 1-2 good ones, 1-2 average, 1-2 bad ones and you can have an above average line. All of that is easier to find then a franchise QB.

What is easier to find? A franchise QB or an above average O-line. It's the O-line and it's not even close. That is my only point, if you think you have the opportunity to draft a QB that you feel good about you take it. It's easier to fix an O-line on demand then finding an elite QB. I'm not saying the class has that guy for sure, but my only point is you can fix the O-line all you want and it doesn't change the fact sooner or later you have to find a good QB. If anythign you might waste years of the good o-line not having a QB. Look at the browns all of those years, they had one of the best LTs of all time and he was wasted because they could never find a QB. I'm all for drafting O-line, we should have done it while we had a QB. Do you feel better about rebooting the QB position with $29m in cap space? You can fix this line without spending a 1st round pick.

first of all Cam isn't the same player as he use to be. Also this is a historically bad O-line, nobody is saying you can win with that. Thats the problem, the O-line is so bad its clouding everyone's judgment. Ultimately the QB is the biggest part of equation and the hardest part to find. So again, prime Cam and an average O-line or Clausen or Sam with a great O-line? Which wins more?

so what you are saying we would have been better off with a better O-line and Clausen as the QB?

Eagles have the 4th ranked O-line and didn't beat a single team this year with a winning record. 2021 Philadelphia Eagles Schedule | ESPN There is only so much an O-line can do, and that is why the QB is infinitely more important.

So the Patriots with one of the best O-lines got throttled by a team with an average O-line. Wonder what the difference was?

This is the problem with QB evaluation, people keep looking for tangible traits, its not that easy. Alot of guys can make a throw but can the QB see the throws. 3rd and 9 and 1st read is covered, why does Brady throw it where he does whereas a bad QB tries a different throw. Different guys definitely have more tools but the processing is the biggest ability.

you made a specific reference in regard to drafting a QB so i asked a specific question about an OL so you answer with a vague response....

do you think drafting a single lineman will?

LG has got too much flack about Herbert. There were a lot of people who had their doubts about him. He was the typical guy taht looked the part and had some physical traits, but he had accuracy issues in college. Also he played terrible in some big games. Everyone tried to say I told you so after the fact.

nobody is saying picking one automatically makes you great, but historically the best way to find a franchise QB is to draft one, and draft one early, and develop him, which we haven't done. We keep looking for shortcuts.

So we would have been better with a great O-line and Clausen as a QB? The QB is the most important and hardest piece to find, this idea of waiting until the rest of the team is great and then you can just add a franchise QB when it is convenient is rather risky.

This is what I can't figure out. If his goal is to win now, he signs a vet QB, and drafts a LT or some non-QB who he thinks can help win now. Maybe even one of the DEs. Maybe trade down. If he drafts a rookie QB and shows some growth that might buy some time like you said, but that can be really risky. It almost feels like a QB call would have to come from Tepper, but I could totally be wrong.

so all those times the QB went first they were they highest rated player, please. QBs almost always get overdrafted. How good the class is rated is irrelevant. All that matters is what is available when you pick. QB 5 next year at 10 might be worse than QB1 this year at 6. Look at this past year. Lawrance and Wilson seem like a lot better prospect then anything we could pick this year but they were not available so it doesn't matter. In reality last year vs this year looks more like Fields and Jones vs Pickett, Howell, Corral, and Willis. When you look at like that the classes don't seem that much different. Maybe I would still take Fields over anyone this year but overall you don't see the gap like you do when you include Lawrance and Wilson. If you want to wait for the can't miss type of prospect that's fine, but then we need to tank.

lol, what skill sets? What physical limitations are you talking about? Do you really think there isn't a prospect in this draft that can throw it hard enough? So, every one of these prospects have a weaker arm then all of the good QBs in the league? or slower than some of the good QBs in the league. This isnt Madden, you don't need 99 speed or throw power to be good. With that being said none of these QBs might end up being good but it's not going to because they don't have the tools its going to be because they are bad at playing at QB.

Like I said, can't miss QBs don't fall to pick 10 in the league. There is more to a QBs skill set than running fast or throwing the ball far. You are probably the type of fan who thought Burrow would be a bust because his "ceiling" was too low.

If they were that highly rated they wouldn't have made it to pick 10. You are looking at it with hindsight. Their fan bases were probably saying the same thing you are, "lets wait until a loaded class with a can't miss prospect."