AU-panther

exactly

deflection

i don't think so 10 Critical Dan Rooney Decisions that Shaped the Pittsburgh Steelers (steelcurtainrising.com)

I'm fully aware of how the conversation started, and I actually think the could be an asset to the organization, but to say the was in charge of the whole damn thing is an incorrect statement.

and who had final say on the coach? You are the one committed to this narrative, the heck with facts.

and who picked that coach? did he pick Cower? I doubt it. Mike Tomlin on Steelers’ draft room: Art Rooney is the boss (yahoo.com) People are naïve if they think NFL owners aren't involved, the only question is how much. Pretty much all of them are going to have final say on the HC, maybe they use a search committee, maybe they have internal people running the search, or maybe the do an informal search but at the end of the day they are the ones that usually decide who it is. Same with the draft, they might not be making each individual pick ,but if its a top-10 pick, especially if the team is looking at a QB, you can bet they have final say. Everyone is trying to make Tepper out to be some Snyder or Jones type of owner, and actually he far from that. He actually seems to let his football people make most of the decisions. You can question his choice of "football people", Rhule seems like a huge miss at this point, but this idea that he is like Snyder or Jones is ludicrous, if anything he seems to be too patient and hands off.

was he though? Who had the final say on Tomlin? My guess the owner. If Tomlin is a large part of their success and if the owner had the final say on Tomlin then Colbert can't be the architect of the whole thing.

What the Saints paid Jamesis (1yr for $5.5m) was so much a better deal than what we paid Darnold. Like you I would prefer to go draft, or elite, or just stick to what we have and tank, but if we do go the cheap vet route, we could do worse than Jamesis.

what does ay/a stand for? either way in their last year. Herbert YA 8.1, Pickett 8.7 Herbert AY/A 9.0, Pickett 9.7 Back to hand size, show me one study that shoes it makes a difference in fumbles. W/Ls are a team stat, can be very misleading with the disparity among teams, and his pre 2021 stats aren't as good, everybody knows that. Then you take his stat line from some of his worst 10 games of his entire career. Its clear you going into this with an agenda and cherry picking stats to fit it. Try to isolate his play. How is accuracy at various levels of the field relative to the other prospects, and past prospects. How is his play under pressure, relative to other prospects? Those answers, paint a different story. I'm not 100% sold him, and I don't know if I would spend a top 10 pick on him, but his last year has some good tape.

but if you fix the OL and don't have a QB it doesn't matter either. Fact is we need to fix both, but the QB is the harder one to find.

7.3 is lower than some other QBs, but was it because that is what his system asked him to do or because he couldn't more. His last year was actually 9.7. Kenny Pickett College Stats | College Football at Sports-Reference.co Justin Herbert's last year was 8.1. Justin Herbert College Stats | College Football at Sports-Reference.com You have to be carefull when you are deciding if a player isn't asked to do something as opposed to when they can't do something. Also this tweet might surprise some people Even if his receivers are slowing down he is still completing more than almost any other QBs in the league. Now speaking of hand size, I'm not sure if I would really consider an advanced metric. Also anyone who is worried about it needs to make sure to stand up for Rhule whenever anyone criticizes him for passing on Slater for arm length. If you look at some real advanced metrics, such as grade under pressure and accuracy at various levels of the field he is actually pretty good. Biggest issue with Pickett is the one year of play. That scares people. If he had this same level of play for two years he would be a top-10 lock.

What advanced metrics for Pickett don’t look good?

What is the cut off for "big splash vet"? Cousins? Carr?

all it takes is one team to believe any of these QBs to be a franchise guy and that QB all of sudden becomes more important than any player in the draft. QBs aren't even money bets like other positions, teams view them with a different set of rules when it comes draft time. If we don't want a QB we should be hoping other teams fall in love with some of them.

Left tackles don't change franchises, ask the Browns with Joe Thomas. They help, and they are important, and I'm a huge fan of drafting them in the first but this idea that they are exponentially better than any other non-QB relative in regard to WAR is just wrong. QBs are in a league of their own when it comes to changing franchises.

Yep, Imagine in 2021 if we would have traded back from 7 to 13. We would have been stuck with Wirfs instead of Brown. Oh wait.... Every year fans convince themselves that where they are picking there is an imaginary drop of talent that is one spot later so there is absolutely no reason to trade down. Grade your players and see how the board falls.

So QBs are the hardest position on the field so evaluators come up with some subjective qualifiers to try and help them decide. So QBs need "thick skin", you don't say, or leadership. How many college QBs who were good leaders in college went on to fail in the NFL. Speaking of Parcell's formula of wanting a guy with a lot of college experience. That has changed somewhat in todays college landscape. Players leave school earlier.

that is no where close to being the approriate future picks to get this year's pick 26. 2022 NFL Trade Value Chart (drafttek.com) rough numbers here but next years pick are generally valued as this years pick's but one round later. 2nd and 3rd next year would be around a 3rd and 4th this year. So, pick 26 this year = 700 For Round 2 next year would be like Round 3 this year = 190 Round 3 next year would be like round 4 this year =70 700 vs 260? not happening More realistic pick 26 this year = 700 For Round 1 next year would be like round 2 this year = 420 Round 2 next year would be like round 3 this year = 190 Round 4 this year = 104 700 vs 714 So a more realistic trade would be pick 26 this year for our 2022 4th, 2023 1st, and 2023 2nd. Also I usually take pick 16 of each round in future years because it is a midpoint pick. I fully realize that a future 1st rounder from us is worth more than say the KC Chiefs but the midpoint is a good starting point. Teams might adjust slightly depending on hwo bad or good they think you are. A team is never going to give you full value expecting you to have a top 3 pick. What if you get lucky and win 7 to 9 games, all of sudden you might be picking around 12.

Doesn't happen to be a team he played for, he never said it was.

Wilson or Rodgers would be nice but they are going to be really expensive in a trade, not to mention I think both want to go to teams that want to win now. Watson also would be very expensive, but who knows with all of the off-field issues. Unless we go super cheap with a FA like Mariotta I think our best chances would be Jimmy G, Cousins, or even Carr. If Raiders get in the Rodgers sweepstakes I could see them looking to move Carr. Honestly the safest move long term is probably just to take our lumps with who we have and preserve our draft capitol and cap space for the future.

I'm not crazy about the NFL or college overtime. What I would propose would be a soccer style shootout at the end. Best out of 5 two-point conversations. If both teams are still tied after 5 attempts, it goes to sudden death. Takes the coin toss out of the equation. Doesn't really matter who goes first. Takes the kickers out of the equation. No guessing what the next team will do, you don't have to decide between kicking FGs or giong for TDs. It would be great drama, awesome tv. It would be quicker. It would limit the extra plays for the players and therefore reduce injury.

Actually, there is a very good chance the long snapper did have a relatively high-grade relative to his own position. That doesn't take into positional value or anything but that is a different discussion. Here is the deal. No team is absolute BPA or absolute need on every pick. My only point originally is there is small chance they could go into the draft with OT as their #1 need. There is also a chance that they might have a really high grade on OT1 and OT2 but maybe not so much on OT3. If OT1 and OT2 are off the board when we pick they might go a different direction, especially if one of the non-OTs that are available are extremely highly rated on their board, such as the safety or CB or one of the top 2 DEs.

Rhules version of need still doesn't change it. If his version of need was a OT with Sewell and he drafted by his need he would have drafted the next OT on his list. What you should have said is he draft one of the highest rated players on his board which also fills a need. Which is pretty much what all teams do. Nobody is absolute BPA and nobody is absolute need.

You are the one that made an absolute statement in regard to a general statement I made about NFL teams and drafting. An absolute statement that isn't true based on even your subsequent logic concerning the fact you said we would have drafted Sewell if available seeing how we didn't go to the next OT on our draft board. Instead we went with a player that was probably rated higher. So it wasn't absolute need, value factored in.

that's not the point. someone tried to say we draft on need and don't consider value. If Sewell would have been picked over Horn, as many claim then that would suggest OT was our biggest need. If we truly did draft just based on need then we would have picked the next OT on our board, if that wasn't Slater it would have been a different OT.