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that's a very vague question.....

Usually fans overestimate what their own players are worth but we might actually be understimated what CMC would get. You have to remember you don't trade a player, you trade their contract. Everyone keeps talking about his massive contract but honestly its massive for us because we paid a huge signing bonus and have already restructured it once. A team that trades for him will only be responsible for his yearly salary, of which only 8.1m of it is gaurenteed and all of that is this year. They would basically be paying for a pay as you go contract. Christian McCaffrey Contract Breakdowns, Salary Cap Figures, Salaries, Bonuses | Spotrac If they keep him for 1 year it would a 8.4m contract. 2 years it would be 20.2m for two years, so only $10.1m for each year. If they keep him for all four it will only work out to $11m a year. $11m a year isn't a bad contract for an elite playmaker, just remember Robby's cap hit will be $16.8m Also if he gets hurt they are only on the hook for the guaranteed salary this year. Is there a contending type of team out there that would give a 2nd for CMC for $8m? Someone like the BIlls or Chiefs? What about the Cardinals or Packers? Might make Rodgers or Murry happy/

I doubt it, for the most part teams stay really close to the chart. It would be embarrassing not to. About the only time you see a team overpay somewhat is to move up for a coveted QB.

If we trade him pre June 1st we would lose about $4.2m in cap space, not sure if I would call that cap suicide. If we trade him after June 1st we would actually save about $8.6m in cap space this year.

I agree, alot of times moving back is harder than people think. Honestly, I think this year's draft will have more teams looking to move back than normal. Its not a top-heavy class but overall, there is some depth in the first round, that along with a weak QB class I think we see a lot of teams trying to move down. In regard to fair offer, depending on how far we move down a 2nd can easily be fair. Going from 6 to 10 would get you a later 2nd.

unless you know where you are trading back to its a bit ridiculous to complain about compensation. 2022 NFL Trade Value Chart (drafttek.com) unless it's some crazy move for a QB more times than not the trade value chart will get in you in the ballpark

Has Tepper actually said anything to indicate he likes Pickett the most out of this QB class or are we just playing connect the dots with the Pitt connection?

There is a difference between keeping a secret for Derrick Brown, who we had a pretty good idea nobody else was taking before us and keeping a secret about a QB that multiple teams might be interest in. 2020 everyone expected Okuda, Young, and Burrow before us. Most expected OT1 to go before us. That leaves two spots and you also had Tua and Herbert in the draft, so Brown being there wasn't a surprise to anyone. Maybe we did keep a secret, maybe we liked Herbert a lot and was hoping he fell. 2021 most smart people expected QB1, QB2, and QB3 to go before us. Pitts and Chase were both considered elite prospects also expected to go before us. That leaves three spots to us and from what everyone said we really liked Sewell and Horn. Very safe to expect one of them to be there at 8.

The more I hear about us drafting Pickett the more I think we aren’t.

2022 NFL Draft: Pros and cons for PFF's top five quarterbacks | NFL Draft | PFF Not a super deep analytical article or anything, but some might find it interesting that Howell is actually their #1 QB. Howell definitely has arm talent, and the mobility he showed this year is a plus. A negative that I keep seeing about him is that he doesn't seem to go through progressions much and can he operate in that intermediate range? You have to ask yourself is that because he can't or because the system or his teammates didn't afford him that opportunity. What type of system he goes to might greatly decide how quickly he progresses at the NFL level? Also some might find it interesting that Pickett is QB4 on their list. It's pretty clear that being a one-year wonder is a major concern to them. Also, I think this idea that he some super low floor QB with a noodle arm is a bit wrong. He might not have an elite arm, (think Cam Newton, but most QBs don't) but he has an NFL level arm. I would be more worried about his time to throw, is that because he is slow to process or because he knows he has that luxury? Can he speed up if needed? If he plays for us he is going to have to speed up.

Linderbaum actually makes me a bit nervous. I've read that he is somewhat scheme dependent, what if we get a new coach down the road who runs a different scheme. Do you want to be scheme dependent at pick 6? The size has to be somewhat of a concern. At the college level the size difference between him and the DL wasn't as great as it will be in the NFL, that next tier of opponent can sometimes be the ceiling and why you see great college players struggle at the next level. Its like when a great college power forward who is 6'7 struggles in the NBA. In college on a given night he might be bigger or the same size as his opponent, occasionally he might go against someone bigger but in the NBA almost every night he is. With a top 6 pick I'm looking for great tape and perfect measurables, I'm trying to reduce all of the risk I can.

I want to like Fitts but I find it hard to believe that Rhule found Sam, Elflein, and Erving all on his own. Very likely that they decide on what they need then the GM finds guys he thinks would work and then Rhule has final say. It's not like Fitts is going to present a guy that he doesn't think will work. Without being a fly on the wall it might be difficult to give a fair assessment of Fitts.

this fan base would have gone nuts if we traded all the way back to 20. Not saying we shouldn't have, but I can hear it now, "all of the elite players will be gone after pick 8"

What if a lot of the bad personnel decisions were originally thought of by Fitt and/or Morgan? I know if Rhule has final say and he is ultimately responsible but if you fire Rhule and give Fitt final roster say have you really fixed the problem?

I always thought Grier should have been the answer. They got a draft pick for Allen. 2020 should have been Cam on the last year of his deal or traded and let Grier play. Like you said looking back we would have been in a better spot at this point.

add the $30m you spent on Teddy and you could really build something.

Thats what happens when a coach has leverage, and during the hiring process he had it whether it was warranted or not. Also people need to realize this doesn't automatically absolve Fitt and/or Morgan of being responsible for some of the bad personnel decisions that have been made. I seriously doubt Rhule is doing all of the leg work on his own. For example, last offseason they all get together and decide they need free agent help at the LT position. I would think Fitt and/or Morgan do most of the research, maybe one of them comes up with the idea of Erving and then Rhule has final say if he wants to veto it.

you were talking about the 49ers

but if you have a top-10 pick your team is already bad so you can't really alter down.

What exactly do people think he is going to say? Nothing he says will make people happy, it would be pointless to talk at this point. Here's the deal. He hired a coach, that coach had a really bad second year. Fans want that coach gone. He wants to give that coach a third year. Nothing to really talk about it.

I'm not crazy about this QB class overall, but I would be shocked if at least 1 or 2 don't become at least average to above average starters. You have to remember, average would actually be an upgrade for a lot of teams. If we did go QB I would probably feel a little better about trading down, that extra pick might mitigate some of the risk. Could you trade down to that 12-14 range and maybe get a QB you like, that would get you an early 2nd. Could you upgrade the OL there? Maybe? If you felt good about BC or could add a LT in FA, early 2nd would be a pretty good spot to pick up interior OL help. I wouldn't feel as good about finding a LT there. For that to work a lot has to happen, I have a feeling trading down might not be easy this year.

you are correct, didn't work out for the Bills either with Allen. Either way, I'm not a huge fan of trading up myself, especially for non-QBs. QBs are a different story because they aren't even money bets like other positions, but even then, I would often be hesitant to, for example I sure wouldn't this year. I just don't agree that missing out a few future 1st round picks automatically cripples your franchise, you are assuming that the teams will hit on those future picks which just doesn't happen like casual fans think. I do agree you are giving up 3 future draft picks that could all draft QBs, but San Fran is usually drafting late. I know you aren't a fan of this QB draft class and your argument is wait for a better QB class, which is a totally valid argument, but for a team that usually drafts later San Fran might have to trade up at some point anyway to get a QB that fits your criteria of being worthy of a first round pick. Would you prefer a top-5 pick in a loaded class like last year, or 3 later first round picks to pick a QB that will probably be comparable to some of the earlier QBs this year? Everyone likes to point out that none of these QBs would be in the top 5 last year. 5th QB last year went what? 16th? So maybe Pickett last to the 20s last year, which is the range you can expect SF to be picking. Would you prefer Tray Lance, or 3 Kenny Pickett types? I'm not saying there is a right or wrong answer. I would probably take the 3 later guys, but you can see why teams trade up like they do for QBs.

You are correct, KC is still trying to recover from trading up for Mahomes.

You can look at more years and I'm sure the hit rate is a lot lower than what you are portraying by automatically saying you are crippling your franchise. Teams miss on 1st rounders all the time and still are competitive. I'm not saying there isn't risk, but to say it is franchise altering is a bit much in my opinion. You know what else is franchise altering? Not having a QB? So lets say you don't make the trade, you draft some non-Qbs, maybe you get a Justin Jefferson but more times than not you get an average or below average player. You still don't have a QB, your franchise is still altered, badly.

How will they ever survive without Rashaan Evans and Taven Bryan?