AU-panther

I never said anything about need or positional value, I was pointing out that comparing players based on their positional rank is pointless and that isn’t how teams look at it, they look at grade.

Teams don’t think in terms of positional rankings, they think in terms of grades. CB2 could have a higher grade than Edge2 or even WR1. Think in terms of tiers. Wouldn’t surprise me if a lot of teams end up with 1-2 players in their top tier, and 3-4 in the next. If any of those fall to 8 they have to be considered.

I hope we don't pass on a great player because of the "fit" of a coach and system that might not be here in the future.

I’ll be curious how he does when he starts to loose some of his assistant coaches. The “leader of men” deal doesn’t hit the same when you are losing.

Zero players in the top 10 at their respective positions. Only three top 20 players at their respective positions. This team needs to quit focusing on winning soon and instead focus on building a solid foundation that can last awhile.

We were 2-15 last year and 5-10 this year, let's not act like we turned into a super bowl contender overnight. Rookie QB improves a little in his second year (as expected) and we win a few more games. Overall though we are 7-25, the roster is bad, who is responsible for that?

Two totally different grading systems. One is stat driven and one is eye test. People want to call one right or wrong over the other, but you have to understand how they are determined and look at the results in that context.

This is why QBs, OTs, and I'm guessing edge (or DT's that can rush the QB) are valued so highly.

excellent point. If anything I would like to believe Morgan differed a good bit from Fitt on a majority of choices being made and hence the reason Tepper decided to promote Morgan. If Morgan and Fitt truly agreed on most, and then you still promote Morgan that doesn't look good.

This is what happens when "old school football people" make decisions. There is little to no concept of positional value with this front office in regard to drafting or free agents. Does this mean that this front office is guaranteed to fail? No, but their margin of error is a lot smaller. They better get lucky in drafting. Anyone who thinks this team is heavily analytical driving clearly doesn't understand analytics.

So the big time media football draft sources and the Panthers all had Bryce Young high on their draft boards, but every other team knew he was terrible and had him ranked low???? Come on now. Also, some of these sites actually do a really good job of predicating the top players so although they might not have access to every teams big board, their list turns to be very accurate. As far as fans knowing better than scouts it happens. Let's be honest it's not an exact science. In reality, everyone is wrong more than they are right. Some of these fans that were so sure about Stroud were the same that were so sure about Fields. Were there some scouts that didn't like Young, I'm sure, but here again its not crazy to think he was the top QB on a lot of team's boards. Fans scout based on stats, measurables, and usually YouTube highlight tape. Based on that Stroud felt like a no brainer. Throw in the game against GA and Stroud really looked good. Unfortunately for us scouts watch all the games. Young had some really good tape. The fact teams thought that high of him at that size tells you his tape was really good. Also, I do agree with you somewhat that sometimes fans are as good as teams at drafting. Just look at the results, teams aren't great. I think at times you could throw darts and be about as good. With that being said I don't think fans are as good as they think they are, it's always easy to be correct in hindsight.

But it’s a pretty good guess. The vast majority of the normal sources who report on this stuff every year had Bryce as one of the top 2 QBs, if not the top. This was not Tepper going against the grain to prove how smart he was. Once we traded all the way to 1 I knew we were taking Bryce because teams don’t trade up to one to go out on a limb to take someone that nobody else wanted.

We need to be focused on building a foundation through the draft. Spend wisely during that time then once that is in place open up the spending .

Who are the 8 qbs better than Trevor and Dak?

I'm not standing up for our drafting, i haven't really been impressed but from what I have read ForJimmy might be right. I can't find the actual article but if i remember correctly there is some history of TEs developing slower relative to other positions. Of course, there are exceptions but we are talking as a whole relative to other positions.