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Two totally different grading systems. One is stat driven and one is eye test. People want to call one right or wrong over the other, but you have to understand how they are determined and look at the results in that context.

This is why QBs, OTs, and I'm guessing edge (or DT's that can rush the QB) are valued so highly.

excellent point. If anything I would like to believe Morgan differed a good bit from Fitt on a majority of choices being made and hence the reason Tepper decided to promote Morgan. If Morgan and Fitt truly agreed on most, and then you still promote Morgan that doesn't look good.

This is what happens when "old school football people" make decisions. There is little to no concept of positional value with this front office in regard to drafting or free agents. Does this mean that this front office is guaranteed to fail? No, but their margin of error is a lot smaller. They better get lucky in drafting. Anyone who thinks this team is heavily analytical driving clearly doesn't understand analytics.

So the big time media football draft sources and the Panthers all had Bryce Young high on their draft boards, but every other team knew he was terrible and had him ranked low???? Come on now. Also, some of these sites actually do a really good job of predicating the top players so although they might not have access to every teams big board, their list turns to be very accurate. As far as fans knowing better than scouts it happens. Let's be honest it's not an exact science. In reality, everyone is wrong more than they are right. Some of these fans that were so sure about Stroud were the same that were so sure about Fields. Were there some scouts that didn't like Young, I'm sure, but here again its not crazy to think he was the top QB on a lot of team's boards. Fans scout based on stats, measurables, and usually YouTube highlight tape. Based on that Stroud felt like a no brainer. Throw in the game against GA and Stroud really looked good. Unfortunately for us scouts watch all the games. Young had some really good tape. The fact teams thought that high of him at that size tells you his tape was really good. Also, I do agree with you somewhat that sometimes fans are as good as teams at drafting. Just look at the results, teams aren't great. I think at times you could throw darts and be about as good. With that being said I don't think fans are as good as they think they are, it's always easy to be correct in hindsight.

But it’s a pretty good guess. The vast majority of the normal sources who report on this stuff every year had Bryce as one of the top 2 QBs, if not the top. This was not Tepper going against the grain to prove how smart he was. Once we traded all the way to 1 I knew we were taking Bryce because teams don’t trade up to one to go out on a limb to take someone that nobody else wanted.

We need to be focused on building a foundation through the draft. Spend wisely during that time then once that is in place open up the spending .

Who are the 8 qbs better than Trevor and Dak?

I'm not standing up for our drafting, i haven't really been impressed but from what I have read ForJimmy might be right. I can't find the actual article but if i remember correctly there is some history of TEs developing slower relative to other positions. Of course, there are exceptions but we are talking as a whole relative to other positions.

Its pretty clear that a lot of people around here really don't understand analytics. What exactly are we considering analytics? Measurables? Advanced metrics? such as success against pressure for a QB? If a guy watches a film and can see that qb struggles against pressure is that really any different than when a guy watch's film and tracks how often a QB struggles against pressure and assigns it a number? People are quick to say I prefer the "eye test", really? One reason Young was on top of the QB draft board was because of the "eye test", he had good film. Made a lot of next level throws, maybe not the 60-yard bombs, but the anticipatory type throws scouts look for, also he did well when he got off platform and things started to break down. Analytics would tell you he was an outlier based on height and weight at the next level. Everyone remembers stroud from the GA game, but they didn't' really watch some of the tape from earlier in the season. Also most analytics would tell you trading up like we did for said QB isn't the smart play over time. People treat analytics as one super number when in reality analytics covers a broad range of factors that often overlap the so called "eye test".

He spent big money on interior o-line, which is a position a lot of teams try to go cheap on, I would expect us to be good. We have the third highest cap cost o-line, we should be good. https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/position/offensive-line/_/year/2024/sort/cap_total

https://www.si.com/nfl/2023/03/13/carolina-panthers-david-tepper-frank-reich-split-quarterback-draft There was a report by Schefter where he said he heard a rumor that Frank wanted stroud. This was I think over a month out from the draft, also I don’t think he named the source. Later in the year there were reports that they were pretty much all in agreement on Bryce. Such as: https://www.outkick.com/nfl/panthers-owner-david-tepper-addresses-rumor-he-overruled-frank-reich-on-bryce-young-and-c-j-stroud

Someone refresh my memory here, what are we basing the idea that Frank wanted around on? I’ll admit it’s entirely possible but I don’t remember any report saying that. All of the reports said they were in agreement on it. Also what about Caldwell. I’m sure he had a a well respected voice in the process. I’m sure Tepper was involved in the process but from all reports he defers to the football people, if he fell in love with one of the QBs I’m guessing it’s because the “football people” convinced him that Bryce was worth it.

How do we know Frank didn’t want Young?

So….some of the same people who complained about Tepper promoting a GM that was part of the old staff are now complaining about the team getting rid of someone from the old staff.