grimesgoat

If you are worried you are becoming optimistic, you have definitely come to the right place.

we get a fourth.

I think Mayfield helps sell Jerseys and maybe a few more tickets in 2022, but I agree, it is unlikely to translate into a significant difference in the win column. Remember, this is a business though. Generating revenue is key. Winning is secondary.

Doesn't bother me much. Most teams simply did not need a QB. For example, he may have been graded as a 2nd round talent by GB, but no way they pick a QB. I was a little surprised WA and TB passed on him in the 3rd, but glad we got him. Most mocks had him in the late first, second round range, so I think at worst he'll be a solid backup.

Anderson and Darnold for Mayfield and a 2023 4th. Everyone gets a new start. We save 2m this year on Anderson and 12m next year (although there will be some dead money involved). Corral has a chance to learn the ropes and maybe get a few starts at year-end. Who knows, maybe Mayfield turns into a comp pick for us if he plays well this year. Cleveland gets a playable QB to back up Brissett/Watson for the same amount of money Baker was going to cost sitting on the bench, while getting rid of a locker room distraction. They also get Anderson to add to a very thin WR room. They have 8 picks next year including 2 4ths and 2 5ths, so the draft pick will not hurt (but will be pretty important for us, given we are already down a 3rd).

I think Ionidas is the only player with void money next year (around 4 m). Meanwhile we'll probably roll over 15m. We can cut Anderson next year and clear 12m. Burns will be extended so his 16m. hit will probably end up being 4-5m. DJ's base salary of 20m can be converted to bonus and save around 15m. Cutting Elflein next year saves just under 5m. We don't know how high the cap will go up next year. And that's all without touching Shaq, CMC, or Moton. We'll be ok.

I think this is a really good point. If you have a first rounder, he's the de facto starter. You have so much invested in him. He will get the first team reps and the team will be built around his particular skill set. The 3rd/4th rounder may not get these benefits unless something dramatic happens. I believe cream eventually rises to the top, but there is no doubt the first round gets the benefit of the doubt and a longer leash based on what has been invested. Kurt Warner is a great example. Undrafted. Played arena league 3-4 years. Played a year in Europe. Finally signed by Rams where he was 3rd string for 1998. Unprotected in the 1999 expansion draft. Finally got his chance when their starter got hurt in the preseason in 1999 and he never looked back - having a career worthy of a first rounder. Point is - very little investment = fewer opportunities.

It’s just entertainment.

Yeah, I get it. I've posted this before, but in the second half of 2019, Darnold went 6-2 with 61% passing and just under 2000 yards. His TD-to-Int ratio was 13-4. That guy was pretty good. If he shows up again, we might have a puncher's chance. I don't believe he's a long-term solution, but I think he's better than what we saw in the second half of 2021.

I don't think it will make a bit of difference to Corral's development if he shares the QB room with Darnold vs. some other mediocre QB for a year. There are so many ways to learn - There is a QB coach. There is film. There is the playbook. There are practices. There are the games. Just what do you imagine he's going to learn from Fitz (career record 59-87, 1 winning season in which he started half his team's games) and Foles (29-27, a journeyman who has 56 starts in 10 years) that he wont learn from Darnold and the sources listed above. Why would we piss away 18m and then pay some scrub 2-3 million more for some sort of magical tutelage? The best play is to try to rehabilitate Darnold. Let him take the beating as the OL learns to play together. Highlight his mistakes in film study. And if he's decent, maybe he nets a comp pick next year.

A number of folks act like they really want to win something this year. We're just not ready. The best we can do is keep/start Darnold. Let the OL gel. Replace Darnold with Corral around mid-year. Win 6-7 games total. Secure that top 10 again. And grab a stud WR in the draft. Corral will learn from Darnold (mistakes and all), his coaches, seeing the game up close, reps in practice, and eventually on-the-field. The thought of bringing in some retread for Corral to "learn from" is just crazy talk.

I think we have too good of a team to just tank out of the gate with Corral. We'll see both of these guys start at some point this season. Darnold will start games 1 and 2. He will continue to start until he gets hurt or we are 2 games under .500. If some miracle happens and we start off with a winning record early, the hook will change to a 2-game losing streak. Bottom line, Sam gives us an outside chance to make the playoffs. Once that ship has sailed, he gets hurt, or he simply loses focus, we'll look to get some experience for the kid. My guess, Corral starts game 5. Then he'll eventually get hurt too and Sam will be back out there. Hopefully he gets at least 6 starts in order to get a feel for his leadership and developmental skills against NFL competition (command of huddle, reading defenses, minimizing turnovers, etc.). This will tell us if we need to draft a QB or use the draft to get him some weapons. Should be an entertaining season with lots of drama.

Definitely on board for moving him after this coming season. Right now his trade value is as low as it can be. If we can trade him next year, we'll still have to eat 9m dead but will free up 12m. If he manages 800+ yards and 6-7 TDs, there are probably teams out there willing to trade for him. Given his salary would only be 9m (and he'll only be 29), we may be able get at least a 5th back. Needs to have a much better year this year with way fewer drops.

I'm confused. He's signed through 2023. Trading or cutting him will cost an extra 10m this year and we'd still need to find someone and pay them to start opposite DJ. Why would we do that?

I don’t get it. I’ve never understood the hate. He was traded here, thrown out there behind a poo line, with a relative child as the offensive coordinator. He did his best. was always professional. Always accepted blame and never threw his teammates under the bus. he didn’t negotiate his salary. Its based on the rookie pay scale. He didn’t pick up his 5th year option, the panthers did that. why people hate this human being that they have never met and know nothing about is a mystery to me. if he does not perform this year, he will not be given a new contract from the panthers. He will pack his bags and move on without a bad word. Some of you guys act like he is some cancerous douche. I don’t get it.

I respectfully disagree. Our cap already includes 10m for Anderson. And yes, trading Anderson will cost an extra 8m in cap. But remember, we have 30m in cap right now. We can eat the extra. I think we can get a 2nd rounder from GB for Anderson. GB is ready to win now, but their WRs are mediocre at best. Believe it or not, Anderson's numbers in 2021 are better than any WR on GB right now, and that is with Darnold as QB in our joke of an offense. GB is getting ready to trot our Lazard, Watkins, and Cobb. There are few healthy free agent WRs left and no one in the draft ready to contribute this year. I think GB would definitely be interested in a speedy vet WR, in his prime. The salary for GB will only be around 1m. And I think we can agree, Rogers should be able to get more out of Anderson than Darnold managed. GB has 2 second rounders, a third, and 2 4th rounders. We should be able to get at least the second second rounder for Anderson.

If I'm not mistaken, we are already eating 10m of it. That's his cap hit for this year on the Panthers' roster. If he leaves, we're out an extra 8m. or so. Question is, would you pay 8m. to get a 2nd rounder?

Don't forget about Tremble in 3rd round too. We should be able to run a little.

I think a team will gladly take on his salary at around $1m. We'd be out a player and about 8.5m, but getting competition for Darnold with a 2nd rounder may be worth it. I believe that is what will make Anderson attractive - his low 2022 base salary.

I floated it in another thread as well. I think we are targeting a WR in round 5. This was probably a contingency all along.

Looking at the numbers on Robbie Anderson - He could potentially be very valuable to someone with a second. I think I have this right. If we traded him, we'd have to eat an extra 8-9 million on top of the 10m that was already counting against the cap. And we'd need to replace him with someone decent. But the recipient would have a decent vet WR with a 2022 salary of only 1m. I know we all are sick of Anderson and think he sucks, but I don't believe other teams feel the same. I think GB could possibly give us 53 for Robbie and his 2022 salary of 1m or so. I'm sure I have some cap-stalkers out there that will correct me if I'm wrong on this.

I'm going to assume you mis-read my post. I can't think of a scenario. That's why I said I can't see us trading up. We may be able to move up a little in the 4th for Strong if he is there. But I think the likely bet is staying put and selecting Zappe.

I can't see us trading up for Willis, Corral, Ridder or Howell. I think all of those guys go in the top half of the 2nd and would cost too much to get up there. NYG, ATL, SEA, DET, HOU, WAS, TB, and NO all might be eyeing QB and all have picks in the top half of the 2nd. Strong might drop into the 4th. A small move up using a 5th might get him, but he did not come in for a visit so I doubt he's in play. It seems most likely that Zappe will be there when we pick at 137. I think we grab him.