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11 hours ago, Hoenheim said:

Since the benching, he's been playing pretty damn well. That Cowboys games scared me into thinking he may have reverted to his earlier self from his first 18 games of his career, but wow does he look much better. 

17/26, 158 passing yards,  65% completions, 2 passing TDs, 0 INTs . 5 rushes 68 rushing yards, 13.6 yards per carry, 1 rushing TD.  HELL of a day. most important stat. NO TURNOVERS vs 3 total TDs he accounted for.

And this is coming from a Bryce Young hater. He hasn't converted me yet to believing he's the long term answer, but he's made huge strides in making me eat crow. 

I saw some pin-point throws today and over the last few games that have been really encouraging. I saw him complete a pass while taking a gargantuan hit and get up and smile. I saw him running around like he was Kyler Murray today lol. 

If this dude can get us out of the mud next year and lead us to a winning season or playoff berth. I'll officially be a Bryce Believer. Until then, lets just say im cautiously optimistic.

 

So what is the goal? Let him lead us to mediocrity for 5 yrs? 

On 12/17/2024 at 6:23 PM, mrcompletely11 said:

not really without a qb we are dead in the water

everything was aligned...at least a 3 yr delay if we do everything right going forward.

all those wanting to stay at 9th pick were absolutely correct.

just my take would have us with a great oline ...DJ still on the team and Drake as our qb.

many other scenarios from taking the 9 pick would still have us light yrs ahead of where we are right now.

On 12/17/2024 at 10:53 AM, Bear Hands said:

Out of all the woulda-shouldas, that’s what you choose?

it was big,so

15 minutes ago, Tbe said:

Unfortunately, I did watch all of those.

Bryce will be here next year as a starter. We’ll see what happens then. 

No amount of fan complains will cause the team to replace him.

I’ve seen reason to hope he can become something…that is all I’m pointing out.

Because we can't get much for him.

16 minutes ago, NAS said:

By all means continue with coming out of the woodwork when he has a poor game and disappear when he doesn’t 

Lol...it's in writing, no one disappears. Poor game or good game he will never bring the value of what we gave up.

On 12/8/2024 at 5:07 PM, TheBigKat said:

I’m gladly eating crow

Nothing has changed as far as the value we got vs the value we paid.

15 hours ago, Saca312 said:

 

 

With the season nearing its end and the playoffs slipping out of reach—even in a division as weak as ours—the silver lining lies in the Panthers’ recent competitive performances. While the team started the season as one of the league’s worst, they now appear to be trending upward in both competitiveness and potential. Bryce Young has shown steady improvement, doing just enough to suggest that we no longer need to panic about replacing him in a draft class with underwhelming quarterback prospects.

That said, I still believe bringing some contenders at quarterback—someone like Drew Lock or Justin Fields—would provide healthy competition for Bryce Young and push him to keep improving. While we can seemingly move forward with Bryce as our QB1, this offseason must focus on addressing glaring roster holes to better support his development and make the team more competitive overall.

Here are the top priorities I’d focus on if I were running the Panthers:

1. Run Defense

The Panthers’ run defense has been a glaring weakness all season. While the pass rush has shown recent improvement, the inability to stop the run remains a major issue. Whether the problem stems from defensive coordinator Ejiro Evero’s scheme or a lack of size and strength along the defensive line, this area needs significant upgrades. We need to bring in bigger, more physical players in the trenches or tweak the scheme to better defend against the run. If we want to stop being gashed on the ground every week, this must be addressed as a top priority.

2. Field-Stretching Wide Receiver

The wide receiver room is crying out for a true deep threat. We have promising pieces like Leggette, who is a big-bodied target, and intriguing options like Coker and others, but none of them are speedy enough to truly stretch the field and force defenses to respect the deep ball.

Granted, Young's arm originally made the deep ball a moot point, but we still need good separaters and field stretchers.

After trading Johnson to the Ravens and cutting ties with Mingo after his bust of a season, it’s clear this room needs an overhaul. The Panthers should target a speedy, dynamic wide receiver who can create space and open up the offense, either through free agency or the draft. A true field stretcher would do wonders for Bryce Young’s development and help the offense take a step forward.

3. CB2

The cornerback position 2 desperately needs an upgrade. Dane Jackson, unfortunately, has not lived up to any positive expectations and has been a significant liability in the secondary. The lack of reliable depth behind Jaycee Horn is painfully obvious. Adding a competent CB2 through free agency or the draft should be a priority to shore up the secondary and improve coverage against the league’s more dynamic offenses.

Am I missing anything? If you have any specific players in mind, whether free agents or draft prospects, voice your thoughts below.

 

 

QB

On 11/20/2024 at 9:12 AM, Manna said:

No way, we cannot afford to lose a franchise staple in Ian Thomas. Make that guy a Panther lifer because he deserves to be in the ring of honor one day with #80 retired. 

No he will go somewhere else and do that.

On 11/3/2024 at 2:54 PM, Gipetto said:

We will forget the benching we will forget the jump throws. All of it

Not gonna happen.

11 minutes ago, CamWhoaaCam said:

Nah he's just trying to coach his way to drafting Sanders or Ward.

Not a chance  that's true...

On 11/2/2024 at 10:23 AM, Castavar said:

I remember the last time we had a Cam at QB in Charlotte

Irrelevant

On 10/29/2024 at 5:48 PM, CamWhoaaCam said:

Never hire in house when you trying to change the culture.

 

I knew from jump this was a bad hire. Yes men gets no love from me.

Never say never

24 minutes ago, Jackie Lee said:

Dan Morgan is a fuging idiot

 

I regret defending him.The statute of limitations just ran out on " the benefit of the doubt"...

1 hour ago, TD alt said:

OK, for all those saying to trade down and not draft a QB? Who is our QB next year? Just waste away another season, right? Nah.

And for those saying take a DE. Who? There isn't even a DE in the top 10 worth taking.

Look, I seriously doubt that we'd trade down from the first pick anyway, but if we do we are in for another season of dread with a sub par retread.  And DE? Ha! if we trade down, DE isn't in the stars.

Will anderson...

23 minutes ago, TN05 said:

Pick swap. We lost a 6th but gained a 5th.

Terrible trade...gained nothing

7 hours ago, electro's horse said:

I made this thread earlier in the year after seeing the first two weeks of Canales Panthers. Those were disasters for the team and Bryce Young, and while it could be argued it was all due to Bryce, I think at this point we're seeing that's not the case. At the time I made that thread, I never thought in a million years Tepper would let Dave bench Bryce. He was benched the following Monday. A competent NFL veteran gave us some hope that Canales' system could actually work. In retrospect, those two games were against two of the worst defenses in the league, both teams that might have their head coaches fired by the end of the year, and are unfortunately looking more like statistical noise instead of a trend. 

over the past five weeks, the panthers have not just been bad, but uncompetitive. At no point past the second quarter has it felt like this team had a chance (maybe against the Falcons), and even today against the Broncos I think we all knew that 7 point lead wasn't going to last very long. Teams very quickly figured out what Canales likes to do and began taking it away. I think the Commanders and Bears were the best examples of this, and that was with a QB who isn't limited physically like Bryce. The team simply cannot compete as coached and comprised.

Today, it really felt like the Broncos defense went easy on them. Lots of base packages, not a lot of exotic coverages, didn't really look like the broncos even blitzed that much. I think this is because 9 games into the season, teams have enough film on the Panthers to know they don't need to do anything special to beat us. We don't have the players to overcome the coaching, and vice versa. Obviously Bryce isn't an NFL player, and I don't think there's anyone except the most dead end supporters who think otherwise, but the pieces are there on offense to produce more than we saw today. And let's have some self respect over the coming days and not talk about Bryce's cumulative stats. That was a classic Bryce Young garbage time spectacular. 

So where does this leave us with Dave Canales? I am going to list some of the reasons he was hired, how that has fared, and then summarize it with how this translates moving forward. 

Whiz Kid Offense Coordinator On the Rise - After getting burned twice by Ben Johnson, both for his All Star Coaching Staff and as head coach, you could see the appeal of trying to get the next Ben Johnson before he's Ben Johnson. Buying low early on a product that takes off is a good way for people to think you're smarter than you are in his line of business. The arguments for this mainly consisted of connecting dots from where he'd been and how their offensive production was, focusing more on the good years than the bad, of which he was around for plenty in Seattle. 

At the halfway point, this is one of the most anemic offenses in the league. Take the Raiders game out of the equation, and we're scoring about 12.5 points a game. You could even be more precise and take away points scored in complete garbage time: obviously the Broncos had called off all the dogs by the time the Panthers scored their second TD today. And we saw other horrifying things today like the inability to get plays in on time. Twice in three plays, with the game still theoretically in reach, is inexcusable. They could have easily had a 3rd DoG on that same drive. Even when you're bad, this is the kind of simple poo that you've got to have locked down. 

As it stands, this offense is generally getting worse every week by any metric you want to look at. The saints players might be approaching mutiny against Dennis Allen, but I can't imagine they'll pass up a chance to curb stomp the Panthers again; remember, Carolina is where other players hit their contract bonuses. The next two games are probably the easiest left on the Panthers schedule. 

QB Whisperer - this was always the least convincing for me. Geno Smith was a 9 year veteran when he got to start in 2023. He'd been with the Seahawks for 2 seasons before so he knew all the players, coaches, playbook etc. He wasn't just someone off the street. Baker Mayfield is doing fine without Canales this year, and had fine seasons with the Browns before he got to Carolina. He even had a fine game with the Rams after getting off a plane and being handed a jersey against the Raiders. From the macro level, it looks like the only thing that can stop Mayfield is being the quarterback for the Panthers. 

Bryce looked horrific in weeks 1 and 2, and after executing the opening game drive (scripted, practiced all week, short field, mostly dink and dunk behind the line of scrimmage) he couldn't muster a first down until late in the 3rd/early 4th. Bryce looks helpless. The deep game is almost exclusively sideline routes to cut down on the risks of interception. He isn't able to push the defense across the middle at the 2nd and 3rd level, presumably because he can't read the defense. Bryce still looks clueless as evidenced by him jogging out of bounds at the end of the 2nd half. Whatever Dave is whispering to Bryce, it hasn't helped, and frankly I'd like it to stop.

What the Panthers do with the QB situation moving forward isn't very interesting to me. Andy is what he is at this point in his career; a backup who can start 1-2 games, but he's just not going to be able to hold up over the season. Bryce simply cannot play the position in the NFL. 

Have to hire them before they're ready because of the team's reputation - i don't necessarily disagree with this. Panthers are an organizational disaster and no candidate with promise is going to want to hitch their wagon to this mess. But part of gambling is losing, and if you're taking bets on who you think is going to become a good HC, you run the risk of being wrong in your prognostication. At this point, Canales is not a good head coach. The team is not prepared to play on Sundays. And he's not even had to pick a defensive coordinator yet; Tepper didn't let Evero leave after Reich and co were fired, which is frankly unheard of in the NFL and a really good way to alienate potential coaches in the future. 

Coaches learn how to be good coaches by being in good organizations. Canales had one year as a coordinator in a very stable organization with very good players on offense. Where is this guy going to learn how to coach? To get the team ready during the week? To make adjustments at halftime? To manage the players? And moving forward, how is he going to get better? Has anyone seen anything to suggest he's going to learn on the job? Or that after a season, fans and players should be okay with the 2nd year head coach learning on the job? 

Sure, we might have to hire coaches a year early, but we need to be prepared to say the pie needs more time in the oven. And unfortunately, we can't just send Dave back to Tampa for six months in the hopes he picks up more knowledge.

Again, one team requested an interview with him. Tepper probably overthought this.

Conclusion - The reasons he was hired and the stated goals for his tenure have all flamed out. He's not a QB whisperer who knew the secret to fixing Bryce. He isn't some offensive guru or genius playcaller. He's shown he isn't ready to be a head coach. Tepper wanted the next Ben Johnson, and instead he got the first half of 2022 Ben McAdoo. 

I'll speak more about what I want for this team to do moving forward, but it involves a complete tear down and it's going to require some people with NFL experience and a deep rolodex to fix. Canales isn't this person. The money doesn't matter to Dave, and he's shown in the past he will cut bait with a coach when its looking like they're not up to the task. Sticking with Canales for another year continues with the delusions that this team is close, or just one player away, or blah blah blah whatever. Yeah sure Carolina is on its 5th coach in 3 years and that sounds awful, but is it really that different than 6th coach in 4 years?

Canales was hired as a hot up and coming offensive coordinator and that hasn't panned out. His next job audition is to be the man to rebuild the Panthers, and he is doing it right now, and he has shown nothing to indicate he's the man for that job. 

No...

7 hours ago, Sean Payton's Vicodin said:

I think that 2001 and 2010 blow the 2024 team out. 2023 keeps it close but the defense was a lot better.

Young not the worst qb we've had.

9 hours ago, KillerKat said:

STarting Bryce only hurts whatever trade value he has.

Not at  all...can only go up from the bottom.

9 hours ago, NAS said:

I may be in minority but I saw some positive signs from Bryce today 

he stood in the pocket a lot more and threw despite the pressure,attempted throws downfield, showed better command and poise

Negatives; inconsistent accuracy, terrible timing of interceptions, needs to be more aggressive downfield.

i expected a worse performance tbh, he looked improved compared to first two weeks but not sure if he deserves more starts.

part of me wants to see if he can build off this, maybe I’m crazy

 

 

 

Hoping enough positive to increase trade value.

On 10/23/2024 at 9:28 PM, Dragoon11 said:

Well, that was going to be my very next question once it was confirmed that is who it was. Most pathetic lack of effort I've ever seen by a player and play by an NFL team. Was truly shameful.

New to the game I see...

39 minutes ago, mrcompletely11 said:

There are 10 weeks left, it totally matters

Lol...not at all.Its meaningless at this pt.

19 minutes ago, Bear Hands said:

Heck, he's been so bad, our phones still don't want to remember the name and keep autocorrecting to Bruce.  

Sounds like bruce...sounds like bruce!

53 minutes ago, TN05 said:

He literally cannot run the offense. He is incapable of doing the basic things necessary to run it. Dalton can.

does that mean Dalton is good? No. But it means Dalton doesn’t have to run the gimped, pathetic scheme Young was

At this point it doesn't matter.let him play.

9 minutes ago, BIGH2001 said:

Young has made about 5 good throws his entire career and one of them bounced of Thomas’s facemask.

He probably wasn't expecting a good throw,which is understandandable.

5 minutes ago, strato said:

Yeah there is. He sucks and just about everybody wants him off the team as soon as finances allow.

Or I could use the excuse that we would ruin any value he might still have. 

Either one is fine. 

His value is ruined already.