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1 hour ago, SetfreexX said:

I personally felt Anthony Richardson had the most NFL upside (See Cam, Lamar, Hurts as casual projections given his skillset), I was ok with Stroud though he lacked some of the athleticism that is my preference. Bryce was my 3rd choice, the size was a hard sell for me (pretend I used a Druski gif here)

However, I see a TON of people acting like Bryce is the primary issue, or the OL, or the lack of weapons...the OL and weapons have underperformed....but why is that?

Chark has a pro-bowl and a 1,000 yard season to his name with Minshew in JAX

Sanders just came off a 1,200 yard rushing season with PHI and to the ''PHI has a better OL'' folks, please remember that with this SAME offensive line save the injuries we had TWO running backs at / over 5 ypc -- our run game ''literally'' got better in the absence of CMC, now I don't agree with the trade per se, but we did improve running the ball.

The two things ANY rookie QB needs is, first a good defense, and believe it or not ours ranks relatively high (through Week 11 - we are 7th) -- https://www.foxsports.com/articles/nfl/2023-nfl-defense-rankings-team-pass-and-rush-stats -- Let that sink in as you ponder the absences of guys like - Shaq Thompson, Justin Houston, Jaycee Horn, YGM, Von Bell, and even Xavier Woods for stints at a time each. 

Secondly you need a good run game, that was the ONE thing we all thought we had after Wilks was not retained with our OL returning...instead Reich scraps the power run / PA game in favor of a primarily Shotgun based approach where we routinely leave our OL that is best suited for a run first approach (as CURRENTLY constructed) and ask them to pass pro 30+ times a game. We all saw the ground success (under center down hill) vs DAL and even just this Sunday the 22 yard PA pass to start the game. 

A coaches job is to maximize what he has, and look to build off that via FA / draft, IMO Frank tried to do what he's comfortable with versus maximizing what we have, and 1-10 is the result. 

Bryce will be out in 3 seasons or less.

7 hours ago, TheBigKat said:

if those two played a role in bringing Sanders and Young then good riddance

But the rb position was sort of  a bright spot. 

3 hours ago, demcj said:

with no one else wanting to come here, right now it's his only realistic shot at landing a head coaching position.

in the end...he changes the culture of the team making it more attractive to future coaching candidates, and raises his own stock at the same time.

Maybe so...but he maybe too full to swallow his pride.

1 hour ago, demcj said:

 

he might not have a choice.

a shitty roster, suspect qb, zero draft capital, and a meddling owner...why would any of the names being tossed around actually want to come here?

the next head coach is literally hamstrung for the next season or two.

the only thing that can be corrected at this point is the team's attitude and mentality. everyone has seen wilks do it. let him come back and re-establish it, then move on from there.

Same can be said for Wilks...

Why would he want to come now?

8 minutes ago, jamos14 said:

I think you are choosing to only see his faults and arguing wildly with anyone that does the opposite.

He has faults but he also has strengths and I've pointed them out.     

But sure, just insult; No reason even attempting to have a rational football conversation with some you.

its still funny...I am sure of that.

43 minutes ago, lightsout said:

Belichick. Calling it

Having a Seifert flashback...

Del Rio

1 minute ago, mrcompletely11 said:

If someone truly believes that then its best to not engage as they are either not being honest with themselves or this is their first season watching football

still fun to watch the reactions.

Just now, jamos14 said:

Great argument, thanks for contributing.

 

no argument needed.there's plenty more where that came from.

3 hours ago, t96 said:

Knowing that a slow start with an atrocious roster could get him fired within 11 games. fug you Tepper

not if he can coach, lead a staff, and hold people accountable.

45 minutes ago, electro's horse said:

Wilks. 

ego says not a chance...

1 hour ago, mc52beast said:

It’s possible if Tepper doesn’t turn things around quickly. I think firing Reich was more about him knowing the fanbase is at a breaking point and not so much that he really wanted to fire Frank.

yeah no red flags there...

21 minutes ago, jamos14 said:

What physical limitation has caused problems with Bryce this season? 

MAYBE one interception was due to lack of arm strength.    It's mostly been developing bad decisions from constant pressure that his plagued his season.  He has taken plenty of hits and shown he isn't too frail (but how many more?)

He can throw across the middle of the field when given a little time.

He can scramble for a first when the opening is available.

 

A good coach can feel confident in solving that before it's turned into permanent David Carr behavior.   He hasn't had a good season but all isn't lost for his future and coaches will want to be here.

 

lol...ok

17 hours ago, Panthers Fan 69 said:

Don’t know if this will go anywhere but here we go. How do we get an official petition started to get Tepper to sell the team?  As long at it stays in NC, Tepper must go.  As many signatures as humanly possible. 
 

How do we do it?

We dont...

4 hours ago, Jackie Lee said:

 

Saw this coming in the off-season. My Skoronski pick at 9 looking pretty good right now.That coupled with the legitimate first pick in this draft would be fire.

Jeff Saturday

15 hours ago, Lurk21 said:

Looking at Washington,  who will more than likely blow it up, who would be opposed to getting Sam Howell back to nc next year? 

Too late...for the value

So in hindsight...I offered a valid option in the draft.

Lol...this why I don't give into the peer pressure of the braintrust on this board.

15 minutes ago, PanthersGTI said:

I think Tepper sold the franchise..... trust me bro

Sold out

2 hours ago, thebdawg said:

Call it coping, whatever y’all want, but this is terrible receiver play. Was the throw the right decision? Probably not. But it was a good throw. You absolutely, positively CAN NOT drift upfield on a shallow crosser. It is a cardinal sin.

Take a look at where Mingo is running while Bryce is throwing. Straight down the 25. Now note how he has drifted upfield to try to catch a ball at his chest that would’ve been at his outstretched arms, with his body between the defender in the ball.

He has now made it a longer throw, giving the defender more time to get to the ball, and opened the door wide open for him to undercut the ball. Oh, and then he stands there and watches while the guy takes it for 6.

 

 

 

A weak late  throw was the main culprit.

1 minute ago, ForJimmy said:

It looked on target to me. Dude just made a play. The zip/velocity gets mentioned on here a lot but I honestly don’t see it anywhere else. Was it a bullet? No but it looked fine. The read was the bigger issue to me. Reich leaving him back there with 5 wide knowing Zavala and Boze can’t block poo is another big issue. 

Then you missed the play. That was definitely a velocity issue.

On 11/17/2023 at 8:00 AM, Icege said:

 

They have got to find a way to get this kid some weapons.

And more arm strength.

19 hours ago, X-Clown said:

He has been over both the completion percentage you mentioned every single game, and more than 150 in every game except Atlanta in week 1 where he was 4 yards short. Might wanna push the goalposts further out.

No they are far enough as it is...59 yds to be exact.

I just chuckle when I think about how many times I was asked if I thought I knew more than career 

Football  GMs and what not...

42 minutes ago, jopie87 said:

I don't think he will ever be the starting QB on a playoff team and I don't think he will be a starter by 2025. I think he is in the same boat as Wilson in NY.

Drafting Young is going to ruin or end careers of many people.

The silver lining.