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1 minute ago, jb2288 said:

Come on now. We could have had a 4th round grade on Benson for all we know. I could also be completely wrong and we fugged up. We just don’t know 

Wasted pick

4 minutes ago, ECHornet said:

You don’t know that 

Ok Benson or him...it was a waste of the good trade back.

2 minutes ago, PantherChris said:

Lmfao nah no chance the Cowboys were all over him Giants too

So take Benson...and keep 2 picks.

1 minute ago, Growl said:

RB isn’t the least valued position. Center is. That’s what makes the point so hilarious. The further point is that you don’t need to draft centers high to “protect Bryce young,” I actually spoke to that point in my last post to you.

your concern is BUILDING THOSE HOG MOLLIES with big time investments that you can be proud of, but it’s a waste of money, a waste of draft capital, a wasted opportunity to get players who can add to your win total. ELITE ALL PRO CENTERS aren’t adding to your win total versus the good center you bought in free agency at a much more reasonable price than what you would’ve paid at every other position 

RBs are valuable as drafted prospects in this spot BECAUSE they generally don’t get second contracts while still adding a player who can change the make up of your football team  

Could have got him without moving up.

3 minutes ago, jb2288 said:

We gave up 1 pick, a 5th

Nope 

2 minutes ago, hepcat said:

Adonai Mitchell is going to be very good in Steichen’s offense. He made a lot of plays for Texas last year. More polished route runner than Legette by a thousand times. Panthers make the wrong pick again. 

And gave up 2 picks for them to take him.

6 minutes ago, rodeo said:

If he's the guy we wanted at 39 we basically just swapped 2 fifths for a second next year and got our guy anyway.

Lol...

2 minutes ago, theinstrumental said:

Gave up 52, 142, and 155. So both fifths to move up in the second.

Terrible...

On 4/19/2024 at 12:13 PM, Panthera onca said:

Ok, time will tell. I believe he will be worse than Howell turned out. All you Heel fan boys were convinced Howell was the next superstar QB in the league.

Lol...irrelevant, we weren't talking about Howell.

20 hours ago, WhoKnows said:

I wouldn’t put Sanders close to Kincaid or La Porta. I don’t think he’s worth a 2nd. It would be a big kick in the nuts if we go TE this year instead of last year. TE should have been last year instead of Mingo. This is why we’ve sucked so bad lately. We overdraft at positions that aren’t deep instead of targeting guys who fall because it’s a deep class. Kincaid and La Porta had great seasons for rookies. TEs don’t typically have great production as rookies, even the great ones.

lol...there were many alternatives we should have considered last draft in every rd.

On 4/15/2024 at 6:24 PM, Panthera onca said:

Take off those baby boy blue glasses my guy.

never...but even with  ray charles' glasses you can see he will be a star in this league.

On 4/15/2024 at 12:31 AM, Panthercougar68 said:

Naw, he needs coaching. Great prospect but he is raw.

He is very polished. The good thing is it wont take long to find out.

On 4/10/2024 at 12:02 PM, Panthera onca said:

He will be a bust. He is not a dawg or a big game player. He wilts with any kind of pressure or unusual defensive look. Never delivered in a big game at UNC.

not a chance, only injury would prevent his success.

On 3/19/2024 at 4:15 AM, Mr Mojo Risin said:

A++ Brian Burns is no longer on the roster

another wasted opportunity...

On 3/21/2024 at 8:59 AM, Navy_football said:

And that's just blind pessimism to say he showed absolutely nothing last year. Nothing? All year?

He showed alot. Not consistently enough to be a successful QB (winning games) in the NFL. The point is a lot of that had to do with his supporting cast, as we continue to state over and over. Maybe a better cast allows him to be more consistent. Maybe it doesn't. We'll see the next couple of seasons. I just choose to cheer for his success and point out his positives, rather than constantly point out his negatives and seemingly cheer for him to fail.

He didn't show nearly enough to give hope he is worth what we gave to get him.thats fact.

Drake Maye

On 3/15/2024 at 10:42 PM, Shocker said:

The trade is over and it is what it is…nothing is getting worse people need to stop with the drama

That's funny...

This is the expected result of the " we have to do something " desperation we fell into last off season.

1 - 4

9 hours ago, App Panther said:

I don't think so. The draft won't plug the amount of holes we still have.

Still need starting caliber:

LB (multiple)

DB

S

DE

WR (multiple) 

RB

TE

We need to continue to find vet quality starters at all these positions. 

The 3 yr setback is in motion.

10 hours ago, Youngs Ten Yard Bombs said:

Obviously can’t understate the Tepper and Fitterer effect but hiring the guy who  misspelled his own restaurant for GM is not exactly the most ringing endorsement for success either way.

Spelling is a nothing burger "theses" days.

I'll wait for the whole off-season before I whine.

It's the old " how do you make a million dollars farming ?"

22 hours ago, mrcompletely11 said:

cut bozeman but keep thomas

 

Way too early to grade morgan but damn..........

Lol...the right call...

5 hours ago, Jay Roosevelt said:

My take on what the Panthers can do to improve this offseason.

I've run these moves through Spotrac's NFL cap manager/roster simulator in order to ensure we'd be under the cap.

 

FRANCHISE TAG:
EDGE Brian Burns

CONTRACT RESTRUCTURES:
S  Von Bell ($3.9M cap savings)
OG Austin Corbett ($3.4M cap savings)

RELEASES:
TE Ian Thomas ($2.6M cap savings)

 

TRADES:
EDGE Brian Burns + 5th round pick (#141) to Lions for 1st round pick (#29) + 3rd round pick (#92)
At this point we need to either pay Burns or trade him. I'm honestly split on which one is our best option. Do I think he's worth $30M/year? Not really. But is he also our only pass rush threat off the edge? Absolutely. It's a tough spot and, perhaps, Scott Fitterer's biggest blunder as GM on a LONG list of them. However, while I still think an extension can happen there doesn't seem to be much momentum in that direction right now and Burns being tagged and traded appears to be the more likely scenario.

That said, we're not getting a Rams type deal now; the leverage just isn't there. But we should still be able to get a 1st rounder and another pick (or possibly a player of similar value) for Burns. In this scenario we trade him to the Detroit Lions for their 1st rounder (#29 overall) and 3rd rounder (#92) while throwing in our 5th rounder. This deal makes sense for both sides; the Panthers get picks we desperately need and the Lions get an impact pass rusher as they try to get over the hump and into the Super Bowl.

 

CONTRACT EXTENSIONS:
DT Derrick Brown : 4 YEARS, $75M (potential cap savings depend on contract structure)
We should be able to get Brown extended without significantly raising his cap hit this year, assuming the contract is structured correctly. He's one of the few consistent core players we have; gotta get him locked up long-term before this turns into another Brian Burns fiasco. Depending on the structure of the contract it's entirely possible this move could actually save us cap space this year.

RT Taylor Moton : 3 YEARS, $55M ($13M cap savings, est.)
This is as much as about lowering Moton's cap hit this year as it is about extending him beyond it. We can cut his cap hit in half for 2024 while adding 2 years to his deal and locking him up through 2026. Like Derrick Brown, Moton is one of the few consistently reliable players we have and on the OL no less. He's not as young as Brown, but if we can extend him while actually lowering his cap hit for 2024 that is an easy call, IMO.

LB Frankie Luvu : 4 YEARS, $50M
One of our better players who absolutely deserves an extension. I imagine this gets done as I think Luvu is a perfect fit for the kind of player Dan Morgan talked about wanting on this team moving forward.

DE Yetur Gross-Matos : 2 YEARS, $8M
YGM finally started to show flashes last year of the player we wanted when we drafted him in the 2nd round. I wouldn't break the bank for him, but a mid-level deal like this makes sense for both sides, IMO. Alternatively, a 1-year "prove it" deal could also work.

 

FREE AGENCY:
OG Robert Hunt (MIA) : 4 YEARS, $73M
Our biggest need by far, IMO, is the interior OL. Robert Hunt is one of the better pass blocking guards over the last few seasons and would be an immediate and HUGE upgrade over anyone we fielded at LG last season. This move will allow Brady Christensen to become the "6th man" of the OL; a solid backup who can play guard or tackle on either side of the OL. By signing Hunt we're not just filling a need for a high quality starter on the interior OL but also giving ourselves some quality versatile depth with Christensen.

EDGE Jonathan Greenard (HOU) : 4 YEARS, $70M
If we do end up trading Brian Burns we'll obviously need to address edge rusher somehow. We have a need there now WITH him so if he gets traded it'll become even bigger. If he makes it to free agency, Jonathan Greenard would be a great replacement for Burns. He's a better run defender and had more sacks than Burns this past season and, based on Spotrac's market value projection, would be a fair bit cheaper, though certainly not cheap.

WR Tyler Lockett (SEA) : 2 YEARS, $20M
There are a few options available at WR in free agency, but with Tee Higgins and Michael Pittman getting tagged there aren't any real true long-term #1 options out there outside of Mike Evans and giving a 30+ year old WR the kind of money he'll command isn't ideal for a rebuilding team and Calvin Ridley isn't much younger, which surprised me. What we need is a solid starting veteran option to help stabalize our WR corp (alongside Adam Thielen) while our young receivers (both Mingo + any players we draft this year) develop and play without the pressure of being THE #1 guy right away. Tyler Lockett is very likely to be a cap casualty in Seattle and would be a perfect pickup for us. He's also over 30, but should come significantly cheaper than Mike Evans and has more history with Dave Canales. He also provides much more of a deep threat than anyone currently on the roster.

EDGE Josh Uche (NE) : 1 YEAR, $6M
We need depth on the edge as much as we need to figure out who our top pass rusher is going to be. Signing a guy like Josh Uche makes a lot of sense.

 

2024 NFL DRAFT:
#29 : Jackson Powers-Johnson, C, Oregon
If our first pick (wherever it ends up being) isn't an OL or WR I'll be extremely surprised. If JPJ is on the board in this scenario the Panthers shouldn't overthink it; he's a likely future All-Pro center for the next decade. Should things fall this way we could opt to release Bradley Bozeman after the draft or just keep him for competition/depth as we'd only be saving $2M in cap space by cutting him.

#33 : Adonai Mitchell, WR, Texas
We obviously need help at WR, even after signing Tyler Lockett in this scenario. Adonai Mitchell figures to be one of the best options available at #33. He could step right in and contribute as a great route runner with playmaking ability.

#65 : Bucky Irving, RB, Oregon
Chuba Hubbard has played well, but we need both depth at RB and someone who can provide a little more in the passing game. Bucky Irving could be a major factor in our offense if the way Dave Canales used the RBs as receivers in Tampa is any indication.

#92 : Payton Wilson, LB, N.C. State
It seems like we've lacked any real depth at linebacker for a while now. Frankie Luvu has been one of the few pleasant surprises in the Tepper era and in this scenario we have extended him. But Shaq Thompson is coming into a contract year and off a major injury so adding a solid linebacker with some upside like Payton Wilson isn't a bad idea. I think he fits the profile of the kind of player Dan Morgan has said he wants to add and probably should go higher than this but will probably end up going around this range due to some durability concerns. However, the risk is worth it here.

#102 : Roger Rosengarten, OT, Washington
We need depth on the OL as much as we need starters. Roger Rosengarten is a player with starting potential who would be great value if still on the board at this stage of the draft.

#165 : Nehemiah Pritchett, CB, Auburn
In this scenario we opt not to re-sign C.J. Henderson. Considering Jaycee Horn's issues staying healthy (and Donte Jackson dealing with injuries himself) it goes without saying we need depth at corner.

#180 : Justin Eboigbe, DL, Alabama
Adding some depth along the DL never hurts.

at first glance,though I dont like him , payton wilson will be long gone.