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This is the expected result of the " we have to do something " desperation we fell into last off season.

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9 hours ago, App Panther said:

I don't think so. The draft won't plug the amount of holes we still have.

Still need starting caliber:

LB (multiple)

DB

S

DE

WR (multiple) 

RB

TE

We need to continue to find vet quality starters at all these positions. 

The 3 yr setback is in motion.

10 hours ago, Youngs Ten Yard Bombs said:

Obviously can’t understate the Tepper and Fitterer effect but hiring the guy who  misspelled his own restaurant for GM is not exactly the most ringing endorsement for success either way.

Spelling is a nothing burger "theses" days.

I'll wait for the whole off-season before I whine.

It's the old " how do you make a million dollars farming ?"

22 hours ago, mrcompletely11 said:

cut bozeman but keep thomas

 

Way too early to grade morgan but damn..........

Lol...the right call...

5 hours ago, Jay Roosevelt said:

My take on what the Panthers can do to improve this offseason.

I've run these moves through Spotrac's NFL cap manager/roster simulator in order to ensure we'd be under the cap.

 

FRANCHISE TAG:
EDGE Brian Burns

CONTRACT RESTRUCTURES:
S  Von Bell ($3.9M cap savings)
OG Austin Corbett ($3.4M cap savings)

RELEASES:
TE Ian Thomas ($2.6M cap savings)

 

TRADES:
EDGE Brian Burns + 5th round pick (#141) to Lions for 1st round pick (#29) + 3rd round pick (#92)
At this point we need to either pay Burns or trade him. I'm honestly split on which one is our best option. Do I think he's worth $30M/year? Not really. But is he also our only pass rush threat off the edge? Absolutely. It's a tough spot and, perhaps, Scott Fitterer's biggest blunder as GM on a LONG list of them. However, while I still think an extension can happen there doesn't seem to be much momentum in that direction right now and Burns being tagged and traded appears to be the more likely scenario.

That said, we're not getting a Rams type deal now; the leverage just isn't there. But we should still be able to get a 1st rounder and another pick (or possibly a player of similar value) for Burns. In this scenario we trade him to the Detroit Lions for their 1st rounder (#29 overall) and 3rd rounder (#92) while throwing in our 5th rounder. This deal makes sense for both sides; the Panthers get picks we desperately need and the Lions get an impact pass rusher as they try to get over the hump and into the Super Bowl.

 

CONTRACT EXTENSIONS:
DT Derrick Brown : 4 YEARS, $75M (potential cap savings depend on contract structure)
We should be able to get Brown extended without significantly raising his cap hit this year, assuming the contract is structured correctly. He's one of the few consistent core players we have; gotta get him locked up long-term before this turns into another Brian Burns fiasco. Depending on the structure of the contract it's entirely possible this move could actually save us cap space this year.

RT Taylor Moton : 3 YEARS, $55M ($13M cap savings, est.)
This is as much as about lowering Moton's cap hit this year as it is about extending him beyond it. We can cut his cap hit in half for 2024 while adding 2 years to his deal and locking him up through 2026. Like Derrick Brown, Moton is one of the few consistently reliable players we have and on the OL no less. He's not as young as Brown, but if we can extend him while actually lowering his cap hit for 2024 that is an easy call, IMO.

LB Frankie Luvu : 4 YEARS, $50M
One of our better players who absolutely deserves an extension. I imagine this gets done as I think Luvu is a perfect fit for the kind of player Dan Morgan talked about wanting on this team moving forward.

DE Yetur Gross-Matos : 2 YEARS, $8M
YGM finally started to show flashes last year of the player we wanted when we drafted him in the 2nd round. I wouldn't break the bank for him, but a mid-level deal like this makes sense for both sides, IMO. Alternatively, a 1-year "prove it" deal could also work.

 

FREE AGENCY:
OG Robert Hunt (MIA) : 4 YEARS, $73M
Our biggest need by far, IMO, is the interior OL. Robert Hunt is one of the better pass blocking guards over the last few seasons and would be an immediate and HUGE upgrade over anyone we fielded at LG last season. This move will allow Brady Christensen to become the "6th man" of the OL; a solid backup who can play guard or tackle on either side of the OL. By signing Hunt we're not just filling a need for a high quality starter on the interior OL but also giving ourselves some quality versatile depth with Christensen.

EDGE Jonathan Greenard (HOU) : 4 YEARS, $70M
If we do end up trading Brian Burns we'll obviously need to address edge rusher somehow. We have a need there now WITH him so if he gets traded it'll become even bigger. If he makes it to free agency, Jonathan Greenard would be a great replacement for Burns. He's a better run defender and had more sacks than Burns this past season and, based on Spotrac's market value projection, would be a fair bit cheaper, though certainly not cheap.

WR Tyler Lockett (SEA) : 2 YEARS, $20M
There are a few options available at WR in free agency, but with Tee Higgins and Michael Pittman getting tagged there aren't any real true long-term #1 options out there outside of Mike Evans and giving a 30+ year old WR the kind of money he'll command isn't ideal for a rebuilding team and Calvin Ridley isn't much younger, which surprised me. What we need is a solid starting veteran option to help stabalize our WR corp (alongside Adam Thielen) while our young receivers (both Mingo + any players we draft this year) develop and play without the pressure of being THE #1 guy right away. Tyler Lockett is very likely to be a cap casualty in Seattle and would be a perfect pickup for us. He's also over 30, but should come significantly cheaper than Mike Evans and has more history with Dave Canales. He also provides much more of a deep threat than anyone currently on the roster.

EDGE Josh Uche (NE) : 1 YEAR, $6M
We need depth on the edge as much as we need to figure out who our top pass rusher is going to be. Signing a guy like Josh Uche makes a lot of sense.

 

2024 NFL DRAFT:
#29 : Jackson Powers-Johnson, C, Oregon
If our first pick (wherever it ends up being) isn't an OL or WR I'll be extremely surprised. If JPJ is on the board in this scenario the Panthers shouldn't overthink it; he's a likely future All-Pro center for the next decade. Should things fall this way we could opt to release Bradley Bozeman after the draft or just keep him for competition/depth as we'd only be saving $2M in cap space by cutting him.

#33 : Adonai Mitchell, WR, Texas
We obviously need help at WR, even after signing Tyler Lockett in this scenario. Adonai Mitchell figures to be one of the best options available at #33. He could step right in and contribute as a great route runner with playmaking ability.

#65 : Bucky Irving, RB, Oregon
Chuba Hubbard has played well, but we need both depth at RB and someone who can provide a little more in the passing game. Bucky Irving could be a major factor in our offense if the way Dave Canales used the RBs as receivers in Tampa is any indication.

#92 : Payton Wilson, LB, N.C. State
It seems like we've lacked any real depth at linebacker for a while now. Frankie Luvu has been one of the few pleasant surprises in the Tepper era and in this scenario we have extended him. But Shaq Thompson is coming into a contract year and off a major injury so adding a solid linebacker with some upside like Payton Wilson isn't a bad idea. I think he fits the profile of the kind of player Dan Morgan has said he wants to add and probably should go higher than this but will probably end up going around this range due to some durability concerns. However, the risk is worth it here.

#102 : Roger Rosengarten, OT, Washington
We need depth on the OL as much as we need starters. Roger Rosengarten is a player with starting potential who would be great value if still on the board at this stage of the draft.

#165 : Nehemiah Pritchett, CB, Auburn
In this scenario we opt not to re-sign C.J. Henderson. Considering Jaycee Horn's issues staying healthy (and Donte Jackson dealing with injuries himself) it goes without saying we need depth at corner.

#180 : Justin Eboigbe, DL, Alabama
Adding some depth along the DL never hurts.

at first glance,though I dont like him , payton wilson will be long gone.

On 2/18/2024 at 9:44 AM, Bear Hands said:

Figure to get a new discussion going now that we're fresh into the offseason.

The question:

Is the lack of offensive playmaking a big enough need to supersede BPA?

Context:

Looking at any good offense that doesn't have a playmaking QB (Mahomes, Allen, Lamar), they have THAT guy at minimum.  CMC, Tyreek, Jefferson, Gibbs/St Brown, Lamb...you get the picture.  

We have nothing.  Thielen and Mingo may be the only carryovers at WR, and Hubbard is the only potential carryover at RB.  Nothing really at TE (although I still like Tremble as a long term TE2)   

Is this void critical enough to prioritize over the rest? Or should we exercise patience with building an offense and find the best player we can, position regardless?  This idea can also extend outside the draft in respect to priority FA/trade targets.  

And with the uncertainty with Bryce-- is getting a legit weapon critical to his success or do you risk prioritizing BPA, hoping he elevates above-average talent for another season? 

Can we rebuild by finding the best foundation pieces possible or prioritize offensive weapons? I can see how it could feasibly be a combination of both, but if you had to choose, going into 2024 -- where do you lean?

 

we need so much it  wouldn't be wrong either way.

On 2/20/2024 at 1:41 PM, Untouchable said:

Huge Aiyuk fan and would love the fit here but I can't imagine 33 is going to do it.  AJ Brown went for 18 and 101 at a similar age and production 2 years ago.

I'd look for a smaller move for a trade/sign like a Diontae Johnson

nm

they roll with Icky at LT...

On 2/12/2024 at 8:02 PM, SmokinwithWilly said:

I'd rather have Jimmy Pickles than Mitch Trubisky. At least Pickles would guarantee the 1st overall. He's done it before. He could do it again. Trubisky would end up having 1 good game and fugging up the whole program. 

just staying at 9 would have gotten us that.

On 2/1/2024 at 8:28 AM, WarPanthers89 said:

Let them both go. Adam T as well, he already mentioned not wanting to be part of a rebuild ( it sure why he ever signed with us in the first place if that was his mindset) but we don’t need that attitude on the team. 

Don't think he will be a problem if we keep him.

2 hours ago, Paa Langfart said:

I didn't realize until I was reading an article in the post today that Canales is a Mexican American.  Ron probably feels a bit of kinship with Canales and that helped motivate the advice.

Thought Ron was Puert Rican...

19 hours ago, Shocker said:

He was literally one of the best QBs in college ever.  The traits are there and he is a flat leader.  My question is why in the world would you think he can’t be great?  He has been great.  We have to help him be what he is in the toughest league in the world.

He is 22.  You seriously believe this is on him and he sucks?  Jesus

College...

58 minutes ago, Brooklyn 3.0 said:

Why is Morgan the bigger issue? Experience? He and Canales worked together for years in Seattle. This hire was Morgan-led, so if your mindset is that Morgan is a puppet for Tepper ... so is Canales.

Lol...I am all in on Morgan and one of a few who  doesn't think he is a yes man.

He is the bigger issue because his role is more important right now leading up to the draft and free agency.There is no coaching going on so it's going to be a while before we can judge Canales.

Was never for this trade.

Glad we have a coach with  potential  at this point.

Let's get to work.

The Morgan hire is more the issue right now.

14 minutes ago, top dawg said:

We're all pro Morgan in the sense that we hope that he does well, but there isn't any concrete evidence that we should be all giddy about the hire. Like I said in another thread, the proof will be in the product on the field, but I will be scrutinizing what he says at the initial presser as GM. If he says anything to the effect that we're not that far away, I will cringe. If he references that they have a lot of work to do to build the franchise into a winner, then I'll believe there is some hope.

Not all...

I'm just getting in early before the

fence riders say they knew it all along.

What he says isn't as important as what he does.

Early moves will tell us more than early pressers.

36 minutes ago, Shocker said:

No head coaching experience on any level.  If this doesn’t at least give you pause it definitely should 

No where to go but up...

23 hours ago, PootieNunu said:

He has been here for tons of garbage moves and you have to think he was involved in all of them.

Count me in as Pro Morgan.

23 hours ago, Tbe said:

The info you need is Dan’s job duties the past few years and the product on the field.

A good linebacker doesn’t make a good talent evaluator.

So you got nothing ...thanks

Anyone else with actual info?

13 hours ago, BIGH2001 said:

Anyone thinking that Morgan was some kind of maverick in the front office is delusional. He and fat Fitt were BFFs and I have no doubt they made all the decisions together, along with Dave and Nicole. 

So give us that actual info...

5 minutes ago, jayboogieman said:

Great question. Then you also have to ask is the player persona who Morgan really is or was or was that a mask he used to hide who he really is?

No , know what he was as a player.

9 hours ago, Tbe said:

I really think Morgan was the only guy they could find that was all in on Bryce.

The idea that Dan wasn’t onboard with how this roster was constructed is laughable.

1) talent eval was his main job

2) Do we really think Fitt just ignored him on all these major decisions? If you think that, then Dan has zero communication and interpersonal skills and will be steamrolled by Tepper and the coaches.

 

So we need fist hand info to answer theses questions.There doesn't seem to be much actual info on that front. 

Until some real insight is given I have to go on what I know about Morgan which is mainly from his playing days.Right now I'm all in on Dan Mirgan.