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10 minutes ago, Pantherzilla91 said:

Glad you’re content with mediocrity 

Zero to do with what he said.

6 hours ago, Jon Snow said:

You guys don't actually think the Panthers are going to trade up for that guy do you?

Nope

9 hours ago, Mr Mojo Risin said:

No one knows how these kids will do in the NFL. Playing QB is more than just stats and arm talent. A lot of it goes into the make up of the person and how dedicated they are to their craft. You don't find that out by simply looking at stat sheets and watching tape. Way too early to tell if they are worth drafting or not

Hence the 1% chance...not too early though.

57 minutes ago, Mr Mojo Risin said:

Yes exactly if we hire an offensive minded HC would he not also have a say in the QBs in this draft? Even if we hire a DC I'm sure the offensive staff he beings with him will also have input.. How is that information even out yet? 100% this guy has no clue what he's talking about this early into the draft process

Going by the qb prospects alone he has about a 99% chance of being correct.Not a good qb class.

15 hours ago, 1of10Charnatives said:

Playing devil's advocate:

It's possible to realize you need a QB, realize your best bet is through the draft, and at the same time genuinely not believe any of the qb's in the current draft are the answer. Whether this is what's happening is anyone's guess, but them saying they don't like the current qb crop doesn't automatically mean they want to keep going after garbage FA options. they could have finally realized they need to draft one, then looked at this draft class and made a face. historically there have been entire drafts with no franchise qb in them, even when that fact wasn't recognized at the time.

This is one of those drafts.

4 hours ago, Growl said:

Scott fitterer has been here a while now, if he still doesn’t believe there is a QB worth drafting then he just needs to be fired and replaced with someone who understands what it takes to win football games

Lol...there isnt where we pick from and there isnt one worth what it would take to move up.

4 hours ago, Growl said:

lol which part exactly do you disagree with other than “I’m anti-quarterback and this appeals to my confirmation bias”

 

I dont think you are anti qb

Just now, LinvilleGorge said:

But honestly, I think this reporter guy is full of poo and just talking out of his ass on the off chance that we don't draft a QB. We don't have a coaching staff yet. The folks with a lot of input on this aren't in place yet. True organizational level scouting on draft prospects is really just getting going. If you're saddling a new coach with Corral and/or Darnold, then yeah... welcome back, Wilks. Because dudes with other options are gonna peace out on that noise.

I usually agree with most of your takes but you are way off on this one.

8 minutes ago, ncfan said:

Will Kunkle who covers the Panthers just said on WFNZ 

“I don’t think the Panthers draft a QB”  

“They don’t like any of the QBs that are expected to be available.  And do not want to move up for one of these guys.”

 

There you go , common sense in this situation.

19 minutes ago, ThPantherFan said:

You're joking aren't you?  Yea, you're joking....I hope you're joking.

Trolling the brain trust here that said theses things when the team was for sale.

53 minutes ago, trueblade said:

Said this elsewhere, but if you're not going to take a QB at 9, you've got to do everything to can to trade down and get a 2024 1st rounder to help you move up next year.

Well unless something unusual happens , next yr would be the yr to have the 1st pick.

I have great faith because he used to be a part of the steelers and knows what a winning organization looks like and acts like.

1 hour ago, frankw said:

It's a crapshoot anyway keep swinging until you hit.

Learn the strike zone and wait for your pitch.

1 hour ago, frankw said:

You might want to but the front office has other plans and the clock is ticking.

Its ok beenn through it before.wont say I told ya so,but...

6 hours ago, frankw said:

In that scenario pass on both and draft your QB.

Will have to wait til at least next year for that.

2 hours ago, Varking said:

No we need a QB. Find something to trade other than DJ. 

No...we need a good qb. Build a solid team instead in anticipation.prepare for rain.

9 hours ago, Varking said:

If you trade DJ to the Bears you are basically asking the new QB here to throw to targets worse then Justin Fields has had the last two years. Basically you’d be setting them up for failure. 

So by pass qb and build support OL, LB, DB ,TE,WR

3 hours ago, Ghostface Chilla said:

Carr had some great weapons this season, and crapped the bed so many times. He was missing wide open passes and sailing passes over the heads of his receivers. He's washed IMO. 

No more QB retreads. Draft a rookie QB and keep it moving. 

Not a retread just too expensive.

1 hour ago, Jackie Lee said:

Pretty sure it'd be $30M in 2023 and $40M in 2024 if you grabbed him off waivers, the $30M would be guaranteed but you could get out in 2024 with a dead cap hit of $7.5M. If he got cut and cleared waivers I think you could get a much friendlier cap hit in 2023 but he would probably want more guaranteed down the line. Either way I'm tired of the turnover. Darnold knows he's on the path to being a career backup and actually seems pretty cool with the idea, wouldn't be a distraction. Just draft a guy and go with Darnold/PJ/Minshew etc for a couple months without wrecking our wide open cap space we have after next year

Lol...but you are tired of the turnover?

On 9/28/2022 at 6:28 PM, *FreeFua* said:

Carr stinks. So he definitely fits what Rhule is looking for.

I didn’t realize his contract was structured in a way that he’ll most likely be cut after this year 

He gone...

13 hours ago, pantherj said:

I had been harping on getting a big center for years, and we finally have one. He's not the most athletic guy or quick, but that's a lot of weight to having leaning on you all game. He's trouble for smaller d-lines. We could upgrade anywhere along the interior of the o-line through the draft, but with more pressing needs elsewhere it's unlikely. Maybe we'll take a guy later for depth.

I prefer upgrading an o-line until it's the best in the NFL. I would keep upgrading this o-line until we could run on anyone and had excellent pass protection. We know this o-line has plenty of room for improvement because we were totally unable to run the ball against the Steelers, and we're built to run it.

Brady broke his ankle, but it should be fine in time for training camp. Corbett tore his ACL sadly, so don't expect him to be ready by training camp. He would be aiming for week 1 or 2 imo. Should we draft a guard? My answer is always yes to improving the o-line.

SKORONSKY 

5 hours ago, Khyber53 said:

Nope. Take him there, don't eff around and miss him. We need a receiving TE more than just about anything else here. The lack of a good tight end has left the middle of the field to the defenders and is one of the main reasons DJ, TMJ and Laviska can rarely get open. We can't stress the seams enough. 

In the past, we could rely on CMC to do that work some, but those days are gone.

The only other potential spot I'd draft is DE at #9 but only if one of the two best somehow falls to us. 

 

No we dont...lol

On 1/9/2023 at 9:35 PM, tukafan21 said:

Has anyone ever actually looked back on those trades? 

They NEVER work out for that team, if they occasionally did it wouldn't be a terrible idea to try, but they just don't ever work out.  Two reasons for it, the first being that you give up way too many assets that are needed to build up a bad team and the second is because it's usually not for a sure fire stud prospect, or else the team with the pick would just take them and trade their current QB.

The closest to ever working out would be Stafford last year, and that haul was really more to take back Goff's contract as it was for Stafford.  Plus, without them winning the SB that would be a really bad looking deal right now considering the current state of the Rams and that top draft pick now going to the Lions.

Here's the ones that I can remember off the top of my head from at least recent memory.....

Russel Wilson - Not looking great so far

Deshawn Watson - Not looking great so far

Trey Lance - Not looking great so far

Goff - Sure, they got to a SB with him, but he clearly wasn't the reason why, the best thing he did for them was get them the QB who did win them a SB

Wentz - Sure, they got a SB a couple years later when he was playing like an MVP, but he didn't actually win them the SB and then crapped out right after

RG3 - Maybe it works if he doesn't get hurt at the end of his rookie year, but his body/style of play was never going to hold up in the NFL anyways

Trubisky - Clearly did not work at all

Darnold - best thing he did for the Jets was fleecing us in a trade for him

The only outlier to this where it worked out would be Mahomes, but even at that, I'm not sure giving up a 3rd rounder and a single future 1st rounder to move from 27th to 10th is really giving up a haul for that pick anyways.

Yes, I know we clearly need to fix the QB problem, but doing it this way just never works, we need to find the right free agent or cheaper trade (like Carr maybe), or stand pat and hope to strike gold with our own pick or a minimal trade to move up to get one we like.  

 

Correct, we should not this draft.

5 hours ago, Cdparr7 said:

I’m not saying that, I’m saying we can’t manipulate the cap enough to keep Shaq, Resign Bozeman, Resign Darnold and Extend Brian Burns. Not “Some Center and Sam Darnold”. 
 

That “Center” has a market value of 15-17 million per season.

10 to 12 mil

Lol...a bad Cam...