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On 3/17/2023 at 9:43 PM, glenwo2 said:

You never stop.

I'm living rent-free in your head (or is that Sam Darnold, since you're mentioning him all the time?)

What my opinion is about this, has no effect on anything.

 

And my opinion is that CJ is the SURE THING.   

 

 

Now head on back to the Chicago Bears forum and continue selling Bears fans on PJ Walker's "Greatness".   Shoo!  Shoo! 

Lol...definitely not a sure thing...in fact I give 40-60 % on making it as a starter in this league in 3 yrs.40% for and 60% against.This is why it was too costly to trade up for this "just to do something" bs...

1 hour ago, Ornias said:

If Dalton plays the season is probably lost anyway. 

He will definitely play.

4 hours ago, panther4life said:

This is just my opinion of the order of importance/overall good for the long term health of this team.

1. The big trade up to number 1.

• I love this move for obvious reasons. We need a franchise QB and the front office/coaching staff in collaboration think there's at least 1 here and they have the ability to vet them until the draft comes to make sure everyone is on the same page. The timing of it before free agency removes a lot of uncertainty and helps pave a clearer path of how to move forward with the rest of the offseason.  I hate that we had to give up D.J Moore but in the end this was a fair deal that should benefit both teams in the long run in theory, pending the success of the QB we take and Justin Fields success moving forward.

2. The coaching staff

• Most anyone would agree this coaching staff on paper is a home run. From retaining the good coaches and adding a nice mixture of wisdom and young talent this went about as good as anyone could ask for. This only ranks behind the big trade for me, because I personally believe no matter how good of a coaching staff we hired, if we didn't make the move to 1 and ended up with Derek Carr, Jimmy Garrapolo or worse at QB the ceiling would have been pretty low for this staff.

3. Re-signing Bozeman 3 yrs, 18 million,10 million guaranteed at signing

• We finally have a respectable O-line again and for the first time in almost 15 years we will repeat the same starting 5 again. Everyone realizes the value Bozeman brings to this team.

4. Signing Von Bell (Strong Safety) 3 yrs 22.5 million,  13 million guaranteed at signing

• He's an enforcer that flies all over the field. A veteran presence and still only 28 years old. Should add a lot of flexibility to our defense. He is very reliable and virtually plays every snap (averaged 98.5% of defensive snaps last 4 years). According to NFL Next gen stats he's tied for 5th in pressures generated from a DB (13) since 2021. From the same source he's also 4th in tackles made 20+ yards from snap to tackle (19 total) since 2021

5. Signing Miles Sanders (RB) 4 yrs 25 Million, 13 million guaranteed at signing

• In 4 his year career he's averaging 5 YPC over but still has plenty of tread left with only 739 carries so far. He's shown incredible consistency and last year he had a career high in rushing TD's. He should be well prepared to take some heat off the rookie QB and assist in keeping the down and distance shorter, especially behind this o-line. 

6.  Signing Shy Tuttle (DT) 3 years, 19.5 million, 13 million guaranteed at signing

• Didn't appear to be too many choices for a mid tier DT that can play nose in the 3-4. Hopefully he will be an impact player and prove worthy of being a starter. 

7. Signing Hayden Hurst (TE) 3 years, 21.75 million, 13 million guaranteed at signing

• Tight ends have quietly become an expensive position in the NFL. Hayden's contract seemed like a lot at first glance, but it actually puts him in the middle of the pack for starting T.E's and thats basically what has play has been thus far. So a nice upgrade for us at the position and our first reliable pass catcher at the position since 2019 (Greg Olsen). 

8. Signing Deshawn Williams DE, no contract terms available yet.

• Looks like a career journeymen who finally caught on and had a decent season last year under our new defensive coordinator Evero. Terms of the deal haven't been disclosed yet but seems unlikely it will be a significant investment.

9. Signing Andy Dalton QB

• There was no shortage of backup QB'S this year. It was something we needed and someone who can guide the rookie, plus also play a few games if needed. Dalton checks all those boxes. Just by the sheer plethora of QB's of his stature available, I rank this one the lowest, while still being appreciative and liking every move made so far.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Agree except for #1...

Move it to bottom and all others up 1.

Jack Campbell

5 hours ago, Sub Zero said:

If they traded up to draft a project with 13 starts and horrible numbers.. I’m questioning my fandom..

Lol...they are all projects. 

Regardless,Fan for life...no matter how stupid they get.

On 3/16/2023 at 12:04 AM, Jaxel said:

I really think the moves they made indicate they want someone who can start day 1.

Everyone wants someone to do that...lol

7 hours ago, razorwolf said:

JMO

My Big Board Panther Selections

1st round (1): CJ Stroud, QB

2nd (39): Adetomiwa Adebaware, Edge (dream he won't be available at this pick)

3rd (93): Jonathan Mingo, WR

4th (114): Drew Sanders, LB

4th (132): Roschon Johnson, RB

5th (147): Josh Whyle, TE

Johnson would be a very good pick.I also like Whyle in 5th.

5 hours ago, CarolinaRideorDie said:

Uh, they drafted him to give him a chance at his NFL dream, paid him millions of dollars to play football, coached him, put him on the field even started him at some point. So yeah, I think he's had his fair chance to develop into at least a decent TE at this point it's on him. 

None of that answers the question...context is a thing.He's not Jan Michael Vincent.

14 minutes ago, Jaxel said:

I started out big time wanting Stroud, but the more I've watched and seen what Bryce is, the more I'm convinced he is the potential HoF of this class. That said I won't be mad with Stroud, but I'm firmly on the Bryce train now.

HOF...really?

7 hours ago, CarolinaRideorDie said:

Ian Thomas is a waste of a roster spot, sure he took a pay cut but what has he done for this team on game day? Are we going to carry 3 TE on game day? Just let him go. 

What has this team done for him on game day? Nothing.

1 hour ago, LordOfDaWingz said:

I say take one of the tight ends and draft Kayshon Boutte in the mid rounds. Guy is a gem. 

Maybe if we didnt get Hurst  but now TE not really on the radar compared to maybe a couple of LBs...

5 hours ago, Bear Hands said:

Pending a WR signing (or two), I think it's fair to say we've set ourselves up to get, not BPA, but the BOSPA, come April.  Although I'll admit this EDGE class is tantalizing.  (Cue the new term)

So then, let's take a gander...

Consensus-ish Big Board (My estimated rankings based on The Athletic, Ringer, and a few other spots) green means trending up.

10. Jaxon Smith-Njigba WR ^

12. Quentin Johnston WR

14. Michael Mayer TE

17. Jordan Addison WR

23. Jahmyr Gibbs RB ^

25. Dalton Kincaid TE ^

26. Zay Flowers WR ^

30. Darnell Washington TE ^

33. Jalin Hyatt WR

40. Josh Downs WR

48. Luke Musgrave TE

52. Sam LaPorta TE ^

58. Zach Charbonnet

 

Takeaways:

No doubt team boards will vary, but I see a pretty damn substantial cliff after LaPorta.  Rashee Rice & Tillman are good but a major tier down.  Same goes with the TE and RB groups in my opinion.  Guys like Tyler Scott, Kraft, Achane, Spears, Schoonmaker could be great, but simply aren't in that higher tier.  

I know we already gave a lot away, I'm trying to stay realistic.  However, if we want to land a top weapon in this class, I think it could be in our benefit to move up a tad.  I'm not saying jump to 20 for a boatload, but if receivers are getting selected in the 20s, which I can see happening easy, then I say let's get aggressive again.

So my question RE: Rankings, -- Is it worth holding on, or would it be in our favor to use something like a 4th (this year or future), or maybe a 4th+6th type combo to slide up a bit in our favor?

I think 3rds are too high with capital given away for our shiny QB1, but it we want an effective weapon, do you want to swing high, or take a group of guys a bit lower tier in this draft?  After 39, 93 is our next selection.  That's 1.5 rounds right there.  

For me, it is starting to look quite appealing to grab a top guy somehow given who we've brought in.  A really solid foundation sans WR seems to have melded together.    

Creating a young trio like Stroud, Sanders, & Flowers could have so much freaking potential.

Thoughts?

 

Naturally I would like Downs and I like Charbonnet later on.

7 hours ago, CPcavedweller said:

Our run blocking was one of the best in the NFL. Pass blocking is where our line broke down. So we should be fine to ground and pound. Just get Foreman with Sanders and we will be good to go. 

We are not near as good as philly's o-line

Which is elite enough to take the loss of

Sanders in stride.

4 hours ago, Shotgun said:

Losing good players always hurts. You think the eagles will be just as good as they were last year? Make it to the bowl again? I don't think they will, a playoff team yes but will probably take a step back (I hope so anyway).

I think they reload and will be just as good as they were this season.They are working to get better just like everyone else. 

13 hours ago, Shotgun said:

It makes us better and the eagles worse...Perfect!

Not really considering they have one of the best O-lines.They havevthe luxury to plug another RB in that spot.We need to get to that level on O-line.

But this is a good signing for us for sure.

19 minutes ago, CPcavedweller said:

He should take a job cut...

Maybe that's just me..

I love the potential of Tremble with Reich but don't really see where Ian Thomas is any better than a rookie we could draft late on Day 3.

Now we can concentrate on true positions of need.

2 hours ago, CmC2k said:

With the signing of Hurst to be the starter I could see Thomas requesting a trade and Fitt told him that it would be impossible with his current salary. 

 

He knew he was stealing...but you take it if they hand it to you.Good,things settling in where they need to be.

2 minutes ago, Panthers316 said:

Well you are  going to be every disappointed sorry not sorry

I knew that going in.

Desperation sets the table.

1 minute ago, Panthers316 said:

It's qb stop with that bs just like steve smith said there's no julius peppers in this draft  

No Cam either.Not even close.So no I won't stop.

Will Anderson

13 minutes ago, tukafan21 said:

Just saw the numbers on the Brissett contract are basically identical to what we gave Dalton, same guarantee but on a 1 year deal, which is more or less what the Dalton deal is anyways, we just did 2 years to spread out the cap hit.

Makes me again think this means we're NOT taking Richardson, as any team that takes him, won't be starting him Week 1.

If we already knew we needed a Week 1 starter, that would have been Brissett over Dalton, both a better player and also familiar with Reich and his system.  Tells me that we signed Dalton purely as a backup and not a Week 1 starter.

Means the pick has to be Stroud or Young and they already know that.

B/t those 2 it has to be Stroud...Young wont last the whole season if he is starter day 1.

19 minutes ago, Castavar said:

What kind of dumbass logic is this? Tell me, what Oregon QB had success in the NFL before Justin Herbert? I'll wait.

Lol...Dan Fouts

1 hour ago, TheSpecialJuan said:

https://www.panthers.com/news/panthers-restructure-johnny-hekker-s-contract

Our best offensive 

Player.

Always liked Hurst.

17 hours ago, JawnyBlaze said:

Another interesting nugget, Chris Simms says Stroud is the #1 and it’s not even close. Says Lawrence vs Wilson, Burrow vs Herbert, Mayfield vs Josh Allen were closer than Stroud vs Young. 

Obviously he is.It's not the comparison to Young that is important.