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would probably turn out like the Sean Payton debacle in Denver but at least we wouldn't have to trade draft picks for him. I hate the cheater with a passion but you know what, if we get him there's possibly a chance he could bring us some success for the first time under Tepper so sure whatever why not. Can't be any worse than it is right now. I can't believe it's gotten to this point that I would even type that but here we are

Miller really should start at the 2: LaMelo Miller Bridges PJ Williams Gordon at the 3 during Miles' suspension

No one has a fuging clue. My guess is that McCown and Reich preferred Stroud but also really liked Bryce. Fitts preferred Bryce (Russell Wilson's Seattle success comes to mind for reasons why) and we all can tell Tepper has been slobbering over Bryce with the analytics, S2 test, etc. Reich doesn't seem like the type of guy to me to adamantly fight with the GM and owner on who to pick when he still liked Bryce too, and McCown has the least pull as the QB coach (although considering he was getting HC interviews immediately after retiring maybe he shouldn't...). No clue at all on the scouts, but I bet they were somewhat divided and saw pros/cons to both and just laid out what they saw, maybe shared their opinion on who to take, but I don't think our scouting staff had any sort of consensus. The draft isn't an exact science and looking back with the benefit of hindsight makes extremely tough decisions seem like they should have been easy. Stroud had concerns in the draft aside from the S2, Bryce had concerns aside from size, both had a ton of pros coming out of college. There's still so much time for things to shake out, obviously Stroud is doing way better right now but as some Dolphins fans were saying, who right now would take Herbert over Tua when it seemed obvious early that Herbert was a stud and Tua a bust? The thing is though, Bryce and the choice of him over Stroud is FAR from our biggest issue. The trade is an issue. The rest of the roster pretty much top to bottom is an issue. Tepper meddling is an issue. We could've taken Stroud and I think we'd still be 0-5 if all else stayed the same.

The meddling is Tep wanting to be in every meeting about football ops and injecting his opinion all the time. These decisions are made by "committee" of Frank, Fitt and Tepp (& Nicole apparently) but really we all know whose opinion matters the most (the one who's the least qualified)

We'll see what his dedication to the game and work ethic looks like but he reminds me a lot of Tatum in Boston, Tatum was fine his rookie year and year 2 but nothing crazy special, he really worked on his game and exploded later on though. Miller could be similar if he can get there but I agree he's not going to step in year 1 as a starter and average 15-20+ points. He really does have all the tools in the world to be an elite small forward so that is exciting. I was a Scoot guy pre-draft but Miller has such huge potential and if he hits it would be a perfect fit with LaMelo and Mark as core pieces so it's hard to complain with where we're at. Just wish we had a better coaching staff since Clifford really ain't it. The roster is very exciting but the right coach is needed to get the most out of the young guys and develop them.

There were a couple in the Lions game if you were watching.

so glad the season is finally here to help me forget the panthers suck ass. isn't this game at 7 by the way?

I don't even care any more. Sure why not

Mark is such an exciting player to have. He reminds me of Robert Williams defensively with even more offensive potential and hopefully a healthier player than Rob.

Hate this dude so much

If we're not gonna play Chinn then sure this makes some sense but I'd much rather we keep him and get a coach who isn't a fuging idiot and will use him properly. He has All-Pro capabilities in the right role. Jamal Adams lite. Also I like Chinn and wouldn't wish it upon him to be sent to that shithole Denver (not the city, the org.) w/ that douche HC.

I made this same thread already, but yes this is the only way to success with Tepper as owner. Ain't gettin' my hopes up though

honestly was kinda looking forward to watching him, I've seen a few highlights but man his stats are completely insane. over 10ypc on that big of a sample size is just flat out nuts.

I think that's really the issue, I think QBs with a ton of talent can get ruined in their first 2 years by poor coaching, OL, weapons, etc. I truly believe David Carr could've been a top tier QB if he had gone to a more stable organization. Same with Darnold too honestly -- if Shanahan's Niners drafted him and sat him for a year or 2 I think he'd be viewed as a potential franchise QB. In theory if everything around Bryce sucks again in year 2 and he continues to struggle but we get a new staff and pay up for weapons, OL, etc. it's possible in year 3 he could turn it around and show he's legit, but we just haven't really seen that ever happen before. Highly drafted QBs who struggle both of their first 2 years never really turn it around. Only recent example I can really think of is Geno Smith and he's a rare outlier and didn't turn it around in year 3 but in year 10...

Almost without exception a franchise QB shows it in some way by year 2. Plenty of great QBs have struggled their rookie year. I’ll give Bryce next year (especially if we have a new staff with legit offensive coaches) but if he still sucks then that’s it for me

He will dominate somewhere else, dude is a stud we've just badly misused him since his rookie year

he did have our biggest pass play of the game...

Can't believe how trash this dude is. I would say he's maybe still hurt but his vision is just so incredibly bad that that isn't it. What a terrible signing by Fitts

If they switched places Young would be doing just as well as Purdy and Purdy would probably be doing worse here than Bryce has been. That Shanahan system with all that elite talent is a QB's dream. I like Purdy, solid player, but purely a game manager within that system, something plenty of other QBs could do just as effectively.

Probably a 1st and another mid round pick (between 2nd and 4th depending on the team trading)

a few throws were encouraging but were cancelled out by both picks, a step in the right direction but not where we'd ideally be with our 1st overall pick we traded the franchise for

nah, I'd take their 1st but not 2nd

spoke too soon bro

Stroud has been great and I was a Stroud guy pre-draft, nice throw but that dude was wide open. hope they can hold on against ATL

Patriots are 1-4, I'd trade Bryce for their 1st in a frigging heartbeat but no chance they would. If they had a good record and jones was the only one really struggling then yeah maybe but not when they're on track for a top 3-5 pick and the rest of the team sucks anyways. Giants are committed to D Jones for some reason