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can we just fuging cut sanders jesus christ he is god awful

in the offseason, I thought it was you. it was in predictions/expectations threads I think. but I may be wrong and it could've been someone else.

hey D actually did something! it's really telling that this rando vet troy fuging hill has been our most consistently decent player in the secondary

Now 3 more of those drives today please. May need 4 more

It is just so pitiful that your 1st overall pick QB can't do a sneak

LOL blow it all up Tepper included. What a joke

LOL shocker

Lol dawg you were giving me poo for saying Reich could be on the hot seat after this year or even gone now you’ve made up your mind too!

Nope

He is a complete idiot so why would not t surprise anyone

Haven’t watched any of this but happy for DJ. Congrats Tep we are now easily the biggest joke in the league, DJ lighting it up, last winless team, no 1st, no hope

with how poorly the season is going I bet we don't see him play again this year. probably could've come back in Nov/Dec if we still had a chance of playoffs but I bet we won't and there will be no point to try to rush him back. I also think we see him traded this offseason unfortunately, get a 3rd for him and move on. Not saying we should do that and it wouldn't surprise me to see him go somewhere else and never miss another game but just have a feeling that's how it'll play out

Not a chance, he's been their 2nd most important weapon behind Christian in a year they are contending to win it all and honestly in my eyes are one of the more likely teams on paper early in a season to match the Dolphins' perfect season that we've seen in the last decade (still super super unlikely obviously).

nope the other guy, I 100% agree with you on Hurney contracts/cap management

Now that MJ is out as owner the Hornets have a chance. Not a good one mind you but a chance nonetheless. Which is more than the Panthers have under Tepper. This may be the same hopium that I bought into with Bryce and Reich this offseason but a healthy LaMelo adding Bridges and Miller along with development from Williams could easily have the Hornets back in the playoffs.

lol I thought I used to be a huge DG fanboy ^^^^ woof

Will always be a huge Cam fan but I accepted the reality with his injuries that he was no longer a legit starting QB in this league as of about 2019-present. Bryce wasn't my choice going into the draft but I got behind him. I still really hope he succeeds since we need him to but I'm not going to blindly defend his poor play to start his career. Not really sure what this topic is about

Yeah that's a very noteworthy point as Hurney definitely had generally much higher picks than DG. But he still had some later ones as you mentioned Gamble, Beason but also DJ, Burns, Otah, DeAngelo so it's not like he absolutely needed them to be higher picks. And we still do see a ton of top 10-15 picks bust. Fitts has had the best draft positions of any of the 3 so far and easily done the least with the most...

This is a very fair point. Allen started out 5-0 with 9 TDs, no picks and solid yards, completion percentage, yards per attempt, etc. Then the wheels completely fell off and it was clear he was a questionable long term back up let alone the above average starter we thought/hoped he'd be. I'm not convinced on Stroud just like I'm not convinced Bryce it a complete bust, however it's looking really really bad for BY and us so far.

Yep he's been legit to start the season so far. Pacing for 10-11 sacks

I don't have prime and certainly won't be getting it or going to a bar to watch that game. I'll watch the Canes or Hornets if they're playing that night, if not I'd rather go to the ballet than watch that poo

All those guys just had such short peaks/shelf lives. And to your point they were just "solid" not anything special. Gettleman was better at depth and pieces to fill in a roster but he couldn't get us a superstar or anything near it to save his life outside of McCaffrey. KK may have come closer if he didn't only have 1 good season. Hurney was definitely very hit or miss but his hits actually turned out to be superstars and he hit consistently in round 1 while still having some hits outside of round 1, both in terms of legit talent and depth. Non-1st rounders by Hurney: Foster, Witherspoon, R Manning, Wharton, Evan Mathis, James Anderson, Kalil, Charles Johnson, Gary Barnidge, Munnerlyn, LaFell (better than any DG wideout), Hardy, Norman, Donte Jackson, Chinn, YGM (jury out). Several guys way better than any by DG and plenty of others who were solid like DG's "hits." DG had less useless busts but no stars, both had some solid players. Which was better outside of the 1st round depends a bit on what the state of the team is -- DG's getting solid players was better while we had the elite core we had his entire tenure as GM here but that elite core was built by Hurney. As we saw with DG in NY he couldn't build any elite talent from scratch. Hurney's drafting would be much better for a team that just needs a talented core to start with and build around. Kind of a pointless argument as both are out of the league as GMs and neither was a good GM overall in the end. I'd gladly take either back over Fitts and any other Tepper trash though

Rhule had final say and was the fresh new hire by Tepper while Hurney's influence had already waned (fired later that year anyways), Hurney could've truly loved Herbert and wanted to trade whatever it took to move up to get him and it wouldn't have mattered if Rhule (and by extension Tepper) wouldn't sign off.

I don't have a source but it was posted/reported here that draft year and Hurney was all over the Oregon pro day. Hurney's a classy dude and hasn't said anything since but I'm pretty confident in this one. Even aside from Herbert, Hurney has been the best thing this organization has had since Tepper took over and that's just pitiful

I was a well known DG defender for a while there so I get where you're coming from, he did a great job at filling in the depth deficiencies on the roster that Hurney left and fixing some of the cap issues, but he did a horrible job of adding new legit franchise talent. Our most successful run was with DG and Ron from 2013-2017 but that entire core consisted of players that DG inherited from Hurney. A Hurney/DG combo where they could put their egos aside and both focus on their strengths would be incredible, but DG's flaws ultimately more than outweighed his strengths. Specifically regarding DG's 1st rounders, he had 2 of the worst busts you'll see in Butler and Benjamin. Star was solid but a little bit underwhelming for a top 14 pick and didn't last past his rookie contract. Shaq also solid but never a game breaker and took a while to go from mediocre to solid starter, that really hurt us 2015-2017 when we could've used more contribution from that year's 1st round pick. McCaffrey I'll obviously give him but taking a RB top 10 should be a hit, and we weren't really in a position where taking a RB made much sense which hindsight supports with the way it played out. And ultimately DG's track record after the 1st round wound up being pretty damn terrible, easily as bad as Hurney's, if not worse. DG was better with contracts, free agency singings (save for Matt Kalil) and navigating the cap but otherwise he sucked. Think about the core players Hurney brought us over the years: Cam, Luke, TD, Olsen, Kalil, Gross, Peppers, Gamble, etc. The only player DG ever brought in that came close to any of those guys was McCaffrey and he came at a time where that position had become so devalued that his impact couldn't touch those other guys'. Fitterer hasn't brought in a single player that comes close to any of those guys yet. Our best younger players right now (Burns, Brown, Chinn) even came from Hurney. Which further goes to show how embarrassing Tepper is as an owner since Hurney was objectively a bad GM overall in both stints, and yet he's arguably been the brightest spot of Tep's tenure as owner so far.