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IMAGINE getting Zion for like PJ, Rozier, a bunch of 1sts and still getting Scoot at 2... Starting 5: LaMelo Scoot Miles Zion Williams

uhh he never played for the Panthers..?

I'm not sure the specifics but wasn't that trade pre-draft? I can't think of a draft night trade involving picks where the pick was traded and the new team made the selection. It's always the original team making the selection for the new team basically then trading the player.

unless the nba changed the rules the pick has to come first even if we had an agreed upon trade in place

I do think best player is different than most valuable. A QB will always be MVP in the current era and that's Mahomes. But I don't think best player is necessarily a QB. In years past I'd say Donald had a legit argument for best player but he's fallen off a bit while Mahomes has continued to get even better and do more with less. So I still go with Mahomes as being the best player but not just because he's the best QB. I think he's that much better at his position than any other player is at theirs. If Donald were still in his prime it'd be a toss up. Also I'd put prime Luke up there.

SCOOT PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE

It’s still incredibly poor judgement by Miller. Doesn’t scare me off in the least but it is a small factor to consider especially with the Bridges situation.

tremendous throw where only the receiver could catch it which is all that matter for us but that was a massive push off lol

what is Panthers related?

cool, not expecting a huge jump from him as he turns 30 this year somehow (doesn't feel like he's been in the league more than like 3 years but he's been here 5 and was old in the draft), but it would be sweet for him to break out.

I wouldn't call myself a "diehard" Hornets fan but I've probably watched 30-40 full games the past 2 years despite the team sucking and bits and pieces of others despite being out of market, so maybe I qualify... My thoughts are you take Scoot and see if it can work with the two of them (I think it can). LaMelo is an RFA in a year and we should be able to keep him on the next contract without issues the way the NBA cba is set up, so you keep him and try to make it work for a couple years. If they just can't work together then you can trade one of them, which one depends on so many different things that we just don't know right now. I don't worry too much about LaMelo wanting out IF the team can get to a point where they're a legit playoff team. The next 1-2 years are especially critical in that regard. Having 2nd overall pick and a chance to take an elite prospect in Scoot, getting LaMelo's buddy Miles back (likely on a relative bargain because of the legal issues), and having a healthy Melo and some of the other young guys developing could have this team in the playoffs as soon as this year. But we also have to see what plays out with a potential sale of the team and from there any changes to the front office/coaching staff. I really hate that we hired Clifford last year as he's not the guy to lead this team out of the gutter and having him here next year could cost us. But we shall see.

And the Aints were true contenders for how many of those years while having an elite hall of fame iron man QB (which Allen is not)? About 3 years around when they won the Super Bowl (similar to the last 3 years Bills but they didn't win it all) Then about 2-3 years following their 2017 draft which could be argued as one of the best drafts by any team in league history and the main reason for their status as contenders the following years. As I said in my last post, "they will have some serious work cut out for them to stay a contender the next several years." I'd say that type of draft qualifies as "serious work cut out for them," getting an elite cornerback, OT, RB and above average starting safety & pass rusher all in the same draft to have on rookie deals for 4 years. Hey, maybe the Bills can do that too!

everybody panic

Just one picture but Bryce actually looks more stout than Corral and Dalton, obviously quite a bit shorter but I think his build won't be nearly the issue many thought it would be.

https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/buffalo-bills/josh-allen-25102/ Allen's style of play (reliance on running to be truly elite) along with contract kicking in next year (and them coming up short the last several years against Chiefs/Bengals who both are better now and still likely will continue to be in the next few years/going forward) will make it tough for them to be as legit of contenders as they have been the past 3 years. Also the division is tougher. Window definitely isn't closing but they will have some serious work cut out for them to stay a contender the next several years.

to be clear I wasn't suggesting we would or should be involved, this is an NFL news thread so that's why I added it

Don't overthink this, just take Scoot 2nd. To trade with NO it would have to be Zion+ coming back and that seems unlikely and is a huge risk for the Hornets with his health (would need to do some serious due diligence and be convinced he will change his off court habits).

Lewan has had a bunch of injuries lately but could be very solid tackle depth if he'd come cheap. Also, our old buddy McD is apparently very concerned about Diggs skipping mandatory minicamp, wonder if he winds up forcing a trade...

https://www.espn.com/nba/player/gamelog/_/id/6430/jimmy-butler Look at his Bucks series... And his shooting % in the past few series. Jimmy has been great overall and yes their best player, but he is not carrying the team. They play great team defense, move the ball well and several guys have been shooting lights out. He carried the team against the Bucks for sure but not really since then.

seriously thinking about it but have some other away games that are going to take priority and not sure how many I can make it to this year. Aiming for 3.

obviously his series against the celtics was an outlier but worth noting in the Finals he's been limited by illness. he's a solid all around player who has been pretty clutch in big games this year. Spo deserves credit and Jimmy for the first few series but he hasn't been carrying anything the past couple series, other guys like Caleb have just been stepping up.

If Corral wins the backup job that'd be great, but also disappointing to pay Dalton $10M to be a third stringer. I will say I'm loving Corral's attitude so far this offseason, will be interesting to see how he does in camp/preseason.

Historically I've generally been very for starting young QBs on the bench, citing examples like Rodgers, Mahomes recently, etc. But then there are guys like Cam, Luck, Burrow, Herbert who start right away and dominate from the get go (yes I know Herbert was initially behind Tyrod but he didn't sit long at all and basically started from day 1 in all practicality). So I don't have any strong preference. I think generally the idea behind sitting a QB is to help him with the mental aspect and getting used to the processing, fully grasp the offense and defenses and not get shell shock right from the start. I still think David Carr could've been an incredible QB in a better situation but he was really set up to fail from the start. Sam Darnold is another possible example of that as he has the talent but the damage was done early in his career with the Jets. An elite OL, run game, WRs, scheme, etc. can all help with that and I think we've got the OL part and hopefully the coaching. But most importantly Bryce came out of college about as well prepared as any QB ever could be in the mental aspects of the game as his processing is unparalleled at his age. So despite my previous tendency to lean towards easing a young QB in, I'm 100% for starting Bryce from day 1 and excited as hell. Also as a 1st overall pick with the context surrounding the team these past several years you just cannot start Dalton day 1 if Bryce is even close to ready, what a terrible look that'd be. And I have no concerns about Bryce being ready.

Last year's Captains were Christian McCaffrey, Baker Mayfield, Taylor Moton, Shaq Thompson, Jeremy Chinn, Brian Burns, Donte Jackson and J.J. Jansen I would think those returning keep their Cs. McCaffrey and Mayfield are the only ones gone and I would bet $ on them being replaced by Young and Thielen.