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Nice Tommy T… he was always high upside athleticism

Lol what a terrible play! Nice stop D. Let’s get another TD boys

Lol some dude poo’d me for an obvious joke

I didn’t realize PJ went to the Browns, good for him to still be in the league

Chuba > CMC change my mind

No but it wasn’t terrible either, season 2 didn’t show much improvement either but still not terrible and a little better. He’s a potential comp for hoping Bryce can still be a franchise guy but a lot of his recent success can be attributed to McDaniel and their elite weapons. Not so easy to get all that for Bryce

Lol this supports my point, he came in and immediately got rid of the losers and dead weight. Canes had missed the playoffs 10 straight years before the sale, Dundon changes HC and GM, let’s them do their jobs and starts spending and now have been contenders every year. Exact opposite of Tepper who took a team coming off playoffs in 4 out of 5 years incl. a SB appearance and immediately turned them into the worst team in the league. Results speak for themselves

I agree, my point is that Dundon, unlike Tepper, just pays the bills and lets the professionals do their jobs. Tepper doesn’t, he’s willing to open the wallet but then involves himself in every decision, undermining the people he hires. That’s the difference

Not really… Dundon opens his wallet and lets Waddell and Rod do their jobs

Send him to Buffalo or Washington -- Rivera or McD would turn the dude into a perennial All-Pro easily.

Triangle area is mostly a college sports town, it's good for the Canes and has room for them (& maybe a future baseball team) sure but moving the Panthers there makes no fuging sense. They are in the perfect spot at BoA right now. Issue is entirely the owner and product on the field, not location.

I hope we trade him to the Chiefs and they win the SB again, screw the Eagles and any other NFC team.

I don't recall any drops from him this year. Historically yeah he's had horrible hands.

I've always liked Donte as a speedier 2 CB or slot CB, definitely not perfect with some terrible missed tackles at times and poor coverage but overall a solid guy to have when healthy. That has been the biggest problem with him lately though, staying healthy. Probably doesn't have much value at all now because of it, but I wouldn't have wanted to trade him away before the availability issues.

Not sure if he ever even played football but I think he would've been a pretty damn good QB if he focused on it over basketball -- obviously not as good as he is at basketball but still

This seems to be a common theme throughout Tepper's tenure so far, whenever anyone from the team talks about all the big moves they talk about how they were collective decisions and how the group were all in agreement (whether Rhule, Fitts, Hurney, Tepp, Reich, etc.). Tepper seems to like having the team run by committee approach where he's ultimately the final say/veto and is able to control the narrative in these meetings. Aside from that being an issue because Tepper is incompetent about football ops, this entire concept of all big decisions about the team being made collectively is a serious issue. When a decision is made by 3-4+ people you have 3-4+ people accountable for the results which ultimately means no one is truly accountable (i.e. Rhule can say he wanted to do something else but Fitts/Tepp wanted differently, and each of them can do that about the others). I think this is one of the biggest issues with how this team has been run the last 6 years. Of course you want the HC, GM, staff, scouts, etc. on the same page about moves but they will not always be completely in sync and someone has to have the final say and be the final decision maker and take accountability. Tepper has had this role in reality but he takes no accountability and isn't the right person for this role as he can't replace himself as owner. Of course it can be a bit difficult managing HC & GM as GM can say he got the players/talent but HC didn't develop them or use them properly and HC can say the GM got him shitty players, but there are ways to weed this out on each side. Another easy way to solve that issue is by letting the GM hire the HC, not having the owner hire the HC while "working with the GM to choose" as Tepper has done a few times now. Then GM is fully accountable as he hired the HC and if the coach can't develop the players it ultimately falls on the GM for hiring the shitty coach. Bit of a rant here, but as many here have discussed, just expanding a bit on thoughts of how this team can eventually have success in the event Tepper remains owner (which is the reality that he will, however unfortunate). Basically, Tepper needs to blow things up and lean heavily on experienced NFL advisors in choosing a GM, then let that GM run the team and hire the HC.

highly doubt it

Disagree. He's gunning for Shula's wins record and based on how this year is going I highly doubt he gets the opportunity to chase it in NE. Although I bet Andy Reid retires with the most wins by a HC when all is said and done.

would probably turn out like the Sean Payton debacle in Denver but at least we wouldn't have to trade draft picks for him. I hate the cheater with a passion but you know what, if we get him there's possibly a chance he could bring us some success for the first time under Tepper so sure whatever why not. Can't be any worse than it is right now. I can't believe it's gotten to this point that I would even type that but here we are

Miller really should start at the 2: LaMelo Miller Bridges PJ Williams Gordon at the 3 during Miles' suspension

No one has a fuging clue. My guess is that McCown and Reich preferred Stroud but also really liked Bryce. Fitts preferred Bryce (Russell Wilson's Seattle success comes to mind for reasons why) and we all can tell Tepper has been slobbering over Bryce with the analytics, S2 test, etc. Reich doesn't seem like the type of guy to me to adamantly fight with the GM and owner on who to pick when he still liked Bryce too, and McCown has the least pull as the QB coach (although considering he was getting HC interviews immediately after retiring maybe he shouldn't...). No clue at all on the scouts, but I bet they were somewhat divided and saw pros/cons to both and just laid out what they saw, maybe shared their opinion on who to take, but I don't think our scouting staff had any sort of consensus. The draft isn't an exact science and looking back with the benefit of hindsight makes extremely tough decisions seem like they should have been easy. Stroud had concerns in the draft aside from the S2, Bryce had concerns aside from size, both had a ton of pros coming out of college. There's still so much time for things to shake out, obviously Stroud is doing way better right now but as some Dolphins fans were saying, who right now would take Herbert over Tua when it seemed obvious early that Herbert was a stud and Tua a bust? The thing is though, Bryce and the choice of him over Stroud is FAR from our biggest issue. The trade is an issue. The rest of the roster pretty much top to bottom is an issue. Tepper meddling is an issue. We could've taken Stroud and I think we'd still be 0-5 if all else stayed the same.

The meddling is Tep wanting to be in every meeting about football ops and injecting his opinion all the time. These decisions are made by "committee" of Frank, Fitt and Tepp (& Nicole apparently) but really we all know whose opinion matters the most (the one who's the least qualified)

We'll see what his dedication to the game and work ethic looks like but he reminds me a lot of Tatum in Boston, Tatum was fine his rookie year and year 2 but nothing crazy special, he really worked on his game and exploded later on though. Miller could be similar if he can get there but I agree he's not going to step in year 1 as a starter and average 15-20+ points. He really does have all the tools in the world to be an elite small forward so that is exciting. I was a Scoot guy pre-draft but Miller has such huge potential and if he hits it would be a perfect fit with LaMelo and Mark as core pieces so it's hard to complain with where we're at. Just wish we had a better coaching staff since Clifford really ain't it. The roster is very exciting but the right coach is needed to get the most out of the young guys and develop them.

There were a couple in the Lions game if you were watching.

so glad the season is finally here to help me forget the panthers suck ass. isn't this game at 7 by the way?