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I'm at work, planning to watch it later for sure but a brief synopsis in the meantime would be nice...

LOL, that's just as absurd as the people throwing out proposals of 2 first rounders and Teddy

Burns is easily the most valuable player on this team and will remain the 2nd most important outside of a QB, at one of the most important positions. I wouldn't do multiple 1sts, Burns and McC, that's just too much. Burns + 8 overall and maybe a mid rounder, yes. But not a whole lot more than that if Burns is involved.

what was the context?

Seems like I'm watching an academy award winner's speech...

3 minutes in. Mention of Deshaun Watson. NFL: HERE'S A FINE FOR TAMPERING

Caserio and Easterby will both be gone in Houston within 3 years. The others all probably last a bit longer.

At this point though I think a fair amount is resale market -- NFL not making much on that

I think the cheapest were like $19k.

Mid round pick would be between 3rd and 5th round. It's a pretty bad contract.

Reading that over sorry I didn't make it clear. I was comparing the circumstances surrounding the trade (a rookie QB coming in and winning the job), not the pieces of the trade. Teddy was supposed to start for the Jets that season but Darnold beat him out in camp. Same could happen here with a rookie QB, resulting in us trading Teddy.

And a ton of shenanigans with a certain someone who won't be named...

Yep the recent exodus has made many of my jerseys obsolete. Only active Panther I have is McCaffrey. Once Burns is extended I'm buying his for sure, and like you I'd probably lap up a QB jersey asap whether it's Watson or a rookie or even Stafford.

Completely agree. He clearly didn't have the mental toughness and discipline to handle adversity and after the ACL tear it just kept compounding for him from there, with his mom passing, the team sucking compared to the 1 year without him, etc. I feel bad for the guy, but the NFL is a cold hard business and you gotta be able to handle that type of stuff and work through it if you wanna stick in this league. But yeah, 2015 would've been an absurdly good year for him if he stayed healthy I think. He was definitely dominating camp.

I also have a Jason Avant jersey... Shortest tenured Panther's jersey I have for sure. But at least this one made some sense as I got it for $10 after he was released. I always liked him as a player and thought it was cool to have him on the Panthers, as brief and unproductive as it was.

KB jersey still hanging in my closet... Oof

It's not about being bad or any external pressure on Rhule. If the rookie QB looks ready (which is likely for Fields/Wilson, maybe not as much Lance) then the HC is going to be under a lot of internal pressure (not internal within the org. but in his own head) to start the guy if he's ready and let him rock and roll. Plus the chances that the rookie QB is better than Teddy is going to be close to 100% if he's not a bust. We also don't know Rhule's philosophy on playing a young QB early. If it's anything like his philosophy on playing young defenders early, then that QB would be guaranteed to start day 1. If he thinks that a young QB should sit early on even if he's the best QB on the roster then maybe he'd hold to that, but we've seen before many coaches who say that and then wind up starting the rookie. I really hope we'd play it slow with a rookie we draft but I think it's unlikely.

The play of the rookie and fans/media will pressure him. Unless it's very clear that he's not even close to being ready all of camp and preseason, there will be a ton of pressure for a highly drafted QB to start ASAP. We see it all the time.

Maybe. I don't think it'd be "easy." It's possible but it's a decent sized gamble. There are still very few QBs who have played at a high level into their late 30s or early 40s, and most of them were QBs who had remained very healthy for the most part and didn't take a ton of hits, like Brady and Brees. Stafford has taken a ton of hits and had a ton of nagging, minor injuries. Those things add up and can definitely slow down a career sooner rather than later.

I don't want this to happen but I suspect that if we do draft a QB (which seems likely) the staff will be under pressure for him to start sooner and after a good camp we'll give up a mid round pick in 2022 for another team to take Teddy's contract off our hands (like the Jets did with him after drafting Darnold). And if we do trade for either Watson or Stafford, Teddy is 100% gone, so I predict he'll be traded. But it's still very likely as well that he'll be day 1 starter while a rookie rides the pine (what I want to happen).

If we want Lance and have a shot to get him (maybe even with a trade back?) I think it would be worth the risk, but you'd have to sit him for at least a year, maybe 2, behind Teddy for him to develop in time. Could be a tremendous move in the long run, but we'd have to put up with watching Teddy start for another year+... Give me a trade up for Fields if possible.

Your title isn't very accurate though as the "new" owner and "new" coach were here when we acquired our current QB...

Pretty much my thoughts, though if the price is as high as it should be for Watson I'd prefer taking a shot in the draft before trading a ton for him. Stafford would get this team to the playoffs pretty quickly and I think we'd consistently be in that mix. But would he be enough to get us over the ultimate hurdle of winning a Super Bowl, before he starts declining or retires due to age? That's what I'm not so sure about and the reason I'd much rather try for a longer term option. If we hit on a rookie this year or trade for Watson, the position would be more or less set for 10-15 years maybe. Stafford could start declining at 35, 36, etc. who knows?

He turns 33 in like 2 and a half weeks so he's even older than the number most here are operating off of... I really do like Stafford, but with his age and inconsistencies I just don't think he makes sense for this team right now at all. Much better than Teddy, but I don't think we're winning a SB with Stafford and then we still have the same problem once Stafford's gone. I much prefer a rookie or if the price is right Watson, but if we somehow got rid of Teddy and picked up Stafford without losing much to get him I'd be okay with the move. I really do want to see this team have a long term plan in place for the QB position.

I’d trade Moore for 2 first rounders and then package those and #8 plus a 2022 2nd or 3rd round pick for Watson.