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He really hasn't done much in Atlanta and got paid more than he should have.

LOL. Anyone who cares about their mental health should just turn to the Canes game right now. Puck drop in about 5 minutes

Recording the Canes watching after and FF through the intermissions is the way to go

Ugly game from both teams, our D balls out though and we squeak out a close one on a late Kyle Pitts fumble. Sam throws for 2 TDs and 1 pick, but misses a ton of throws in a game he should have 300+ yards and 3+ TDs with no turnovers. 17-16 Panthers

Sam has been bad and the OL is bad, yes. But still we have enough talent on offense that Brady should be doing better than 3 points against NYG. He's shown no ability to adjust with the injuries/Sam's struggles, and has been terrible at utilizing our receiving talent and establishing a running game. Chuba has looked good but been under-utilized with CMC out. It's fair for Brady to be on the hot seat.

Joel Klatt sounds like a made up movie character

Things can change really quickly in this league. Likely 2+ years but if we chance into a Russell Wilson rookie year caliber mid round QB next draft and upgrade OL in FA we could be there next year frankly. Or if Wilson/Rodgers did choose to come here, unlikely but not impossible.

Some really rough takes in there from a lot of good posters. Absolutely fuging brutal what a 4 game losing streak can do to a team and fanbase, myself included.

1 on a slightly overthrown but catchable ball off of Robby's hands.

Hornets are good too. LaMelo and Bridges 2 of the most exciting young players in the whole league

I mean, yes, but what about this tweet is stupid?

We are undefeated against the division this year and I think it will remain that way on Monday. Close win against a bad team, won't get fans too excited.

There's no reason to tank. We might wind up sucking anyways but we need to start building a winning culture rather than worrying about draft position. No QBs next draft are can't miss prospects. This past draft was supposed to be one of the best QB drafts ever and they all suck so far and all their teams are bad.

FWIW there actually were. I read an article today that said there are records of some of the complaints being filed or whatever before Watson requested the trade. Otherwise I agree with you

What a completely absurd and ridiculous narrow-minded point of view. People can enjoy whatever the hell they want within the game of football and they have no need to defend their points of view. If you like watching him play, great, feel free to do so. If others don't they have every right to not watch him. It's literally the entertainment business, if someone isn't entertained by watching Brady play they aren't "haters" they just have different things that entertain them. I personally am a fan of defensive aspects of the game which have been slowly dwindling away in recent years and decades and I have no interest in watching games that don't involve my team where the offense just does whatever they want all game and the league penalizes defensive players for laying a pinky on the QB or receivers. Of course I watch all Panthers games as I enjoy watching my favorite team play and following along with the progress but I really don't get any joy watching any games that Brady plays except when we're involved. Same goes for other QBs who are coddled like him and teams with no defenses. If I was a "hater" I'd specifically watch his games to root against him like I've done with LeBron in the NBA playoffs the last decade. But I don't with Brady, he's mostly irrelevant to me as a fan of football.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Tampa_Bay_Buccaneers_seasons Take a peak at that list before Brady got there and since the Gruden one-off SB win. Nobody was calling Brady washed, he had multiple suitors and chose the Bucs. We'll see how they do once he's gone and the cronies he brought with him are gone too. I'm pretty confident they'll revert right back to what they were before he got there.

Obviously. LeBron James of the NFL (not a compliment)

Nah I couldn't find much joy in mercenary teams like that. The Bucs are a trash organization who lucked into a bunch of players picking Tampa Bay to build a super team for a few years. Whatever.

We've been a run first franchise our entire history and Brady has been around almost as long as our team in pass first offenses. Not really a big deal.

Yeah he should get a chance with OL and/or QB upgrades and a healthy McCaffrey

When it comes to the amount of assets and capital the team would be investing in the player, anything more than like a 1% chance is significant, frankly. It took Bill Cosby 10+ years to get charged criminally, then he spent multiple years in prison, despite being screwed over and finally released. Watson spending time in prison at some point is not at all far fetched.

It really just depends, there is a fine line where the risk outweighs the potential reward. He's an elite talent at the most important position in the league on one hand, on the other hand he could theoretically never play another down in this league and wind up behind bars. Ideally if we're trading for him all the picks would be conditional based on his availability and all of our top tier young players would be off limits (Burns, Brown, DJ, Chinn, Horn, McC, etc.) So, I'm not adamantly against trading for Watson, I just don't want to give up the farm for him, like the Texans seem to be asking for. Just too much uncertainty and risk involved. It seems to make sense for all parties to wait out the legal process and wait for his situation to be much more certain. But I guess there are a lot of impatient people all around.

Yes but everything already spent is just a sunk cost at this point. It was a bad deal, we already know that. IF we were to trade for Watson and take on his cap hit, then it'll be worth that additional pick to get rid of Darnold so we have cap space to keep guys like Donte, Reddick, DJ, Burns, Gilmore, etc. It sucks but it's the situation we're in and we can only look at moves to make now, can't change what we already gave up and can't undo the 5th year option...

If we attached a 4th or 3rd for sure. Would be buying a mid round pick just for $18M in cap space 1 year. For a team not close to competing with plenty of cap space that is a massive win for them. We saw it with Brock Osweiler, it took a 2nd attached to him to get rid of his contract but his contract had guaranteed money for like 3-4 years, Darnold is just 1 year and cheaper.

Jeremy himself said this was coming from someone close to Tepper