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Hornets are good too. LaMelo and Bridges 2 of the most exciting young players in the whole league

I mean, yes, but what about this tweet is stupid?

We are undefeated against the division this year and I think it will remain that way on Monday. Close win against a bad team, won't get fans too excited.

There's no reason to tank. We might wind up sucking anyways but we need to start building a winning culture rather than worrying about draft position. No QBs next draft are can't miss prospects. This past draft was supposed to be one of the best QB drafts ever and they all suck so far and all their teams are bad.

FWIW there actually were. I read an article today that said there are records of some of the complaints being filed or whatever before Watson requested the trade. Otherwise I agree with you

What a completely absurd and ridiculous narrow-minded point of view. People can enjoy whatever the hell they want within the game of football and they have no need to defend their points of view. If you like watching him play, great, feel free to do so. If others don't they have every right to not watch him. It's literally the entertainment business, if someone isn't entertained by watching Brady play they aren't "haters" they just have different things that entertain them. I personally am a fan of defensive aspects of the game which have been slowly dwindling away in recent years and decades and I have no interest in watching games that don't involve my team where the offense just does whatever they want all game and the league penalizes defensive players for laying a pinky on the QB or receivers. Of course I watch all Panthers games as I enjoy watching my favorite team play and following along with the progress but I really don't get any joy watching any games that Brady plays except when we're involved. Same goes for other QBs who are coddled like him and teams with no defenses. If I was a "hater" I'd specifically watch his games to root against him like I've done with LeBron in the NBA playoffs the last decade. But I don't with Brady, he's mostly irrelevant to me as a fan of football.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Tampa_Bay_Buccaneers_seasons Take a peak at that list before Brady got there and since the Gruden one-off SB win. Nobody was calling Brady washed, he had multiple suitors and chose the Bucs. We'll see how they do once he's gone and the cronies he brought with him are gone too. I'm pretty confident they'll revert right back to what they were before he got there.

Obviously. LeBron James of the NFL (not a compliment)

Nah I couldn't find much joy in mercenary teams like that. The Bucs are a trash organization who lucked into a bunch of players picking Tampa Bay to build a super team for a few years. Whatever.

We've been a run first franchise our entire history and Brady has been around almost as long as our team in pass first offenses. Not really a big deal.

Yeah he should get a chance with OL and/or QB upgrades and a healthy McCaffrey

When it comes to the amount of assets and capital the team would be investing in the player, anything more than like a 1% chance is significant, frankly. It took Bill Cosby 10+ years to get charged criminally, then he spent multiple years in prison, despite being screwed over and finally released. Watson spending time in prison at some point is not at all far fetched.

It really just depends, there is a fine line where the risk outweighs the potential reward. He's an elite talent at the most important position in the league on one hand, on the other hand he could theoretically never play another down in this league and wind up behind bars. Ideally if we're trading for him all the picks would be conditional based on his availability and all of our top tier young players would be off limits (Burns, Brown, DJ, Chinn, Horn, McC, etc.) So, I'm not adamantly against trading for Watson, I just don't want to give up the farm for him, like the Texans seem to be asking for. Just too much uncertainty and risk involved. It seems to make sense for all parties to wait out the legal process and wait for his situation to be much more certain. But I guess there are a lot of impatient people all around.

Yes but everything already spent is just a sunk cost at this point. It was a bad deal, we already know that. IF we were to trade for Watson and take on his cap hit, then it'll be worth that additional pick to get rid of Darnold so we have cap space to keep guys like Donte, Reddick, DJ, Burns, Gilmore, etc. It sucks but it's the situation we're in and we can only look at moves to make now, can't change what we already gave up and can't undo the 5th year option...

If we attached a 4th or 3rd for sure. Would be buying a mid round pick just for $18M in cap space 1 year. For a team not close to competing with plenty of cap space that is a massive win for them. We saw it with Brock Osweiler, it took a 2nd attached to him to get rid of his contract but his contract had guaranteed money for like 3-4 years, Darnold is just 1 year and cheaper.

Jeremy himself said this was coming from someone close to Tepper

It wouldn't be a risk for the other team, they'd just be buying a draft pick from us.

I've seen some confusion about this in various threads here. With the new 5th year option rules making that 5th year 100% guaranteed (used to be guaranteed for injury only), many think we're stuck with that no matter what (i.e. we trade for Watson, we have to carry both of them and the big cap hits). This is NOT true. We can't save a dime by releasing Darnold, but if we trade him after this season we are on the hook for absolutely nothing. No dead cap at all. Yes with that cap hit and the way he's playing, he's a liability, so we may have to attach a mid round pick to him to get a bad team flush with cap space to take him on, but we can absolutely get out of the deal after this year by trading him. Worth clarifying, and note I'm not trying to defend the trade or picking up the 5th option -- in hindsight both were clearly just flat out bad moves. But that 5th year option just isn't quite as crippling as many think.

I believe if we trade him the new team is responsible for that cap hit. With how he's played though, may have to attach a mid rounder just to get another team to take him on for a year.

I wouldn't agree to it, but players on that list are getting paid their full contract to not play... Not necessarily the worst thing in the world. Free money, literally.

That "something" we're getting has a significant chance of winding up behind bars... 2 1sts AND higher profile players, that's a fat no from me dawg. 2 1sts and Robby maybe if they take Sam I'd consider. But our 1st next year looking like it might be pretty damn high. Watson would help but the back half of the schedule is brutal, I'm not sure he'd even be enough to save this season. Could wind up being a top 10 pick even with Watson here.

Gonna need quite a bit when we can't afford to pay Burns, Donte, Reddick, etc. Damn near allowed 600 yards to the Vikings...

I’m fine with risk, but not when crippling the ability to build the rest of the roster by trading 3 1st rounders AND roster players, as is the reported asking price. Good luck building the OL and the rest of the D...

I can just tell as it's written in Carolina Panthers DNA that we'll trade for him and plan to play him and the NFL will immediately put him on the Commissioner's Exempt List.

Panthers and Dolphins only ones in the mix. And Peter King reported Monday that Dolphins owner Stephen Ross "is not pushing his football people to deal for Watson right now." https://www.nbcsportsedge.com/football/nfl/player/8073/deshaun-watson