Madwolf

I'll never get putting so much energy into hating another team. I really dislike Kentucky. But the idea of watching their games to cheer against them, or finding their fans on message boards and harrassing them is bizarre to me. That's a lot of effort wasted on hating something. May be it's being a Louisville fan, and living with so many UK fans who do that to us is what makes me that way, but it's still bizarre to me. I'll never put forth more ore equal effort into hating another team as I do into rooting for my own.

I feel like this draft class has a lot of QBs that need time, but could be good. But as kungfoodude said, they'll get overvalued because "QB" and taken way higher than they belong. They'll then be saddled with expectations that don't fit their skill sets, and probably cast into the fire before they're ready. Howell for instance, I see a lot of good in him, but he has some concerning flaws like holding onto the ball too long which just won't fly in the NFL.

I very much get that. TBH it's a little curious how the Panthers have seemingly avoided Clemson players. But I'm not so sure that he is held in such high regards as he once was after all of this.

And if it doesn't work it has the ability to go so sideways and wrong that it directly leads to Tepper moving the team to another market for a new start.

That's it. That's all that needed to be said. Close it down fellas!

Nothing like giving up the world for a serial sexual assaulter to really bring the fan base together and right the ship.

Yep. Said this repeatedly in the pre-season but everyone poo-poo'd it because they wanted to believe our LBers were something that they weren't and this team was ahead of schedule in terms of talent and depth. And that somehow last year's roster with a few upgrades was somehow Super Bowl caliber.

ESPN basically reported that while Miami and Carolina are the biggest players for Watson, they don't expect him to be dealt until the off-season.

The Chargers are 10th in total average attendance and their percentage is 99.0%. I think LA supports football (and everything else) just fine. Or at least just as much as most other NFL fan bases. Kind of hard to blame San Diego fans. They were essentially the Lions until Marty came in, led them to success, and then fired him and watched it all burn all the way down back to Lions level again for years and years until they moved to LA.

The Darnold draft hype reminded me far too much of the "he can throw 90 yards on his knees" crap.

Can't really say that about the Rams. They currently have 99.4% attendance, and average the 8th highest tickets sold in the NFL this year.

There's going to be quite a few teams next year with plenty of cap space with no shot at winning that might do that for a year. Washington, Miami, Denver. I'd guess the price would probably be sending a 3rd at that cap hit though.

We're giving up on Darnold before halfway through the season. Makes you wonder who is throwing who under the bus on this team.

That's fair. I trust Fitter.

Yeah, Teddy doesn't have the arm to be a Top 5 pick, compared to Sam, in that way. He was always going to be a Joey Pennington type QB. Super accurate, but arm strength being a major flaw. Both Sam and Teddy clearly need a strong running game to have a successful offense. I feel like Sam needs a play action style offense to succeed and Teddy needs to be in a west coast zone run system that keeps the chains short and lets the run game do the work while he just keeps the ball moving.

It's all about risk. With Watson you're giving up a huge amount for a guy who has a very real chance of not playing for a long time. On the other hand you can roll the dice on a young QB in the draft. At this point in time I think it's a better idea to roll the dice in the draft.

As much as I disliked Shula, at least we could run the damn football. I was in love with Norv Turner. Big fan of the Bill Walsh style of offense.

I mean it's not out of the question, but the Panthers will most assuredly have to give up draft picks in the deal. A team that's not competing and has a low cap hit might be willing to take Darnold for a year if they get a 3rd rounder out of it.

What they saw was what happened with Tannehill in Miami to Tennessee and thought we had the same miracle cure of just getting Darnold out from under the same bad coach. And Darnold may have been, and may still be salvable. The problem is you needed an offense that babies the guy, gets him adjusted, and takes the pressure off his shoulders. You needed Ron Rivera + Norv Turner coached team and an offensive line. The Panthers keep trying to take short cuts to success without the assets to risk what they're doing.

Exactly. It's like Urban Meyer whining about stuff in the NFL. This isn't college anymore. You can't roll out there with your Nike All American team and just steam roll 95% of your schedule with pure better athleticism.

That's what I'm saying. They have unlimited chances, and practically unlimited leverage. The Shark Tank is a good example of this on live TV. These guys on that show absolutely rob inventors blind, but it's their "best chance" to make something out of their products. And the guys on that show feign being conservative with their money, when they make these deals every single month without even blinking. It's pocket change to them, literally meaningless amounts of money. And they only have upside in the deals. And I'm not here to say argue for or against that system. All I'm saying is the filthy rich don't "stay rich" because they take big risks. They take almost no risk, and have the ability do so almost endlessly, with only the ability to "hit the lottery" on the other end. That's not what the Panthers have. The Panthers are more like mom and pop playing the state lottery in terms of what they can invest compared to a billionaire. People have no concept of how much a billion is.

I don't think the talent is great on the team, good, but not great. And good, but not great, should absolutely stomp a mud hole in this Giants team. Ron Rivera gets dumped on all the time, but Ron would have hung 35 on the Giants, held them under 20, and won convincingly.

Well what was the problem with Teddy when he was hitting passes then? We didn't drive the ball down the field, I know. What about our pathetic run game? At a certain point in time the axe falls on Brady. You have to design your offense around what you have instead of what you want. He's failed to do that with 2 different starting QBs now, and 2 different starting RBs. Was Brady a great passing coordinator at LSU, or did he just have a team stacked with some of the best NFL talent on one team we've seen in this past decade?

The problem is finding a buyer at any price. Who wants to take the risk we just took and failed with? The most interesting part of the Darnold contact is we did for Darnold what we were unwilling to do for Cam. I was not an advocate of resigning Cam to a long term contract for the same reasons we shouldn't have extended Darnold on a 5th year option. This year should have been a "prove it" deal, just like Cam's final year of his contract. But the Panthers compromised on their values instead of sticking to their guns and they cost themselves another big bit of dead money if they can't move Darnold on top of losing the draft picks.

No, billionaires win by having almost unlimited chances to take. You think guys like Tepper, Gates, Musk, Bezos, and Zuck sustain their money by getting lucky and hitting it big once? No. They sustain their money because they can take endless amount of risks, because they have endless amounts of money. The NFL isn't like that. The Panthers have a finite cap and a finite amount of draft picks. They're not billionaires in a sea of minnows. It doesn't work like that here.