Madwolf

The LT position Marshall and the #3 WR spot The defensive line up the middle and opposite Burns.

And for a lot of those positions, nothing bothers me with having "just prove it" guys brought in. My problem with the guys they bring in on the offensive line to "just prove it" is that we've been doing it every year since Jordan Gross left. The lack of attention to the offensive line makes the Panthers look more like a team worried about selling Jersey's in the short term, than wins in the long term.

Would love to see it happen, I'm just really jaded with our lackluster efforts to fix our LT situation since Gross left.

This is why I think Marshall eventually spells Robby outside. Robby is just great in the slot, and Marshall gives us a better presence as a physical guy on the outside.

Yep, there's that forward pass they do now to RBs and WRs where the QB lines up in Shotgun, and the RB starts in motion, and as soon as the QB gets the ball he tosses it 1 yard forward to the RB whose already in a full sprint and he's able to round the edge for big gains.

I really liked bringing David Moore in. I thought he was a solid addition that could step up and make losing Samuel hurt a little less.

Not really sure why everyone is so upset about these rankings. PFF doesn't "have it out" for us, this is just going by the information they have from last year. The left side of our offensive line was abysmal last year, and we brought in 2 abysmal players to play there and a promising young rookie with short arms. Our strongest offensive group, our WRs, lost Curtis Samuel. Our star RB was hurt all last season. We technically downgraded at QB moving from Bridgewater to Darnold. I know a lot of people are over the moon excited about Darnold, but you're really trading one poison for another if we're just basing this on previous years stats. We upgraded our defensive line by replacing Short, but we still lacked a lot of pressure from guys not named Burns. In fact, our 2nd leading sack getter left for the Bills in Obada. We upgraded at LBer, but we're a far cry from having a guy like Kuechly up the middle. Our secondary got better with Horn, but Jackson was hurt all last season and the rest of the group is nothing to write home about. Chinn is a wildcard and played well last season, but I'd say we take a hit ratings wise by moving him to FS because you don't know what you're going to get out of him compared to when he was our leading tackler playing closer to the LOS. This team on paper is better than they were last year, but there is a very real possibility we come out of the season with a similar record to this past season because the talent level simply isn't there yet to make the playoffs and be a solid team.

I think our secondary will be better, but not great. I think Horn will be the real deal, and everyone else will kind of be as expected. However, that with a better defensive line will translate to a secondary that plays above what it should as well.

It seems like a logical move, and our only other option is to have 0 answer at LT.

Jesus, we're the Browns QB situation for the last 20 years of LTs.

I think people are sleeping too hard on Marshall. The bottom line is that Robby Anderson isn't a physical WR, despite his size. Marshall brings everything Robby does to the outside WR position, but he's better at getting off blocks and catching in traffic. Marshall also has less experience in the slot. I fully expect Marshall to eventually overtake Robby on the outside, and see Robby moved into the slot.

I'd say Chinn has the biggest chance to have a sophomore slump. You're changing his positions and putting him in a spot where he'll have less statistical impact from a personal stats standpoint. He might have a bigger impact on the defense overall, but that's not what the weekend stat warriors are going to see.

Okay Marty, What are we paying the other 4 OL starters, and what are we paying all of their backups? Which one of them will be here in 3 years, and which one of them is likely to ever be Top15 at their position? Not paying Moton would be astronomically stupid.

Eh, not to split hairs but he started for the Vikings as a rookie, and only lost his job after a gruesome injury. While I don't think he was destined to remain a starter given his trajectory as a player, it's not entirely true he's been a career backup either. I actually think he'll start in Denver this year, but either way, it was an awful contract for the Panthers. Teddy should have got paid more than backup level money, but not what we paid him and in the manner we did. It should have been a "prove it" contract for him as a starter.

He absolutely deserves the money. Who else are we paying on the offensive line that plays at an even average level and is worth their paycheck? 0 Panthers not named Moton for sure. You don't pay a Top10 RT to stick around when you have a solid offensive line that can handle the blow. Not when you're staring down a line that is bottom 10 in the league, full of aging journeymen who won't be there after their contract is up.

I really don't know what happened to Teddy honestly. I don't think he ever had the arm strength to be a Top10 QB in the NFL or anything like that, but it never felt like he was afraid in college to make the passes. Part of me thinks it's not that he is afraid to make the passes, it's that he knows he can't make them, and he knows what he can make, so he doesn't over-extend himself. Which is great until you need those longer passes down the field with the game on the line. He could make those passes in college (and boy was it fun!), because the speed wasn't there of the NFL game. And now it's there and he doesn't make them because he knows it's more bust than boom with his arm strength. And of course he missed some passes, which everyone seems to jump all over him for, but every QB misses those passes once in a while. It's just way more obvious and frustrating when you miss them when you're not making other plays to make up for it.

Yeah, my new phone autocorrected it and I didn't notice.

So in typical Panthers fashion we're going to fail to resign him at the end of the year now aren't we? I really love the guy, but until he signs a new contract the future of our offensive line is a dumpster fire. They're all either old under performing players, or young under performing player and then Morton. We gambled Cams career on a bad offensive line and lost. We gambled on it with Allen under center and lost. Same with Teddy, and now we're gambling on it with Darnold. Morton absolutely has to get resigned, and we absolutely have to spend more quality picks on quality offensive linemen instead of hoping for the best year after year.

Good old Panthers offensive line philosophy. Draft no tackles in the 1st ever and hope something good happens.

He played in 14 of their 16 games.

I kind of like the old logo better.

Meh, Unless it's Gardner Minshew we should save our money.

He's probably 30th because of the injury.

In no particular order: 1. Sam Darnold will be okay. Leaving the door open for drafting a QB in 2022. 2. Teddy will start in Denver and be decidedly average, leaving the door open for Denver drafting a QB in 2022. 3. Denver and Carolina will have a similar W/L record 4. Carolina will win 6-7 games, winning a few early to get the hope up, and then having it stomped away with a tougher 2nd half schedule. 5. Darnold will look better than the record indicates in the 2nd half, after struggling a bit with the offense in the 1st half of the season.