Madwolf

Tannehill had 140 less attempts than Darnold that season. He threw for .3 more yards per attempt, and had 6 less INTs and over 7% better completion percentage. Compare apples to apples.

Your numbers are wrong. Gase wasn't the coach in 2015, he was introduced as the head coach of the Miami Dolphins in January 2016. And you cannot just add the QBRs and divide, it doesn't work like that. In 2018 the QBs looked like Yards: 1,979 vs 2,865 (274 vs 414 attempts) (7.2 ypa vs 6.9) Completion %: 64.2 vs 57.7 TDs: 17 vs 17 INTs: 9 vs 15 Rating: 92.7 vs 77.6 QBR: 33.2 vs 45.9 Who do you want as Quarterback based on those numbers? I'm not attacking Darnold here, I'm just saying the QBR is the outlier, and we shouldn't loft huge expectations on Darnold because we're using numbers to lie about each QBs time under Gase.

But that's not entirely true. Adam Gase took over in Miami in 2016. Tannehill had an okay season that year before getting hurt and missing all of the next season. in 2018 when he came back he had a less good year, but it was still statistically better than Darnold in everything but QBR. If we're going to be fair in the assessment being doled out here, it should be noted that Tannehill outplayed his previous year in his first year under Gase. He outplayed Darnold in 2016 as well. Obviously 201 7 doesn't matter since Tannehill didn't play. 2018 Tannehill played well compared to Darnold in every category but QB. I have hopes for Darnold, but I at least think we should be talking about him honestly here.

Even then, it's worse for Darnold. He only beats Tannehill one year, and it's in a year where statistically Tannehill was far and away the better QB. Tannelhill ends up with a better Rating (the to 138.00) and a lower QBR with better stats. And I did specify what years. If we use your trick of combining the %s and dividing by 3 it works out in Darnold's favor, but that's not how you get a composite QBR for those 3 years. You'd need to compile the stats and calculate the QBRs, not combine the %s and divide by 3.

The TE position has to be better because it frankly can't get worse. Tremble won't be Kittle, but if he and Arnold can form a poor man's Mark Andrews we could do a lot worse.

In each of their first 3 seasons: QBR Tannehill takes all 3 QB Rating (traditional) Darnold Darnold Tannehill The only time Tannehill would post a QBR lower than Darnold was in 2018, and even then it's odd because his Rating is a lot higher, and the stats are much better for Tannehill.

I'm not so sure. We threw to the RB a lot less last year, and that's with Teddy throwing it to them as a check down more than we would have liked. I understand CMC wasn't out there, but I'm just not entirely sure that throwing to the RB is going to be as big a part of our offense as it was under Norv Turner. The man helped make throwing to the RB an art form in today's NFL.

I just looked this up and Tannehill had a higher QBR than Darnold every year besides 2018. In that traditional rating Tannehill was slightly worse in his 1st 2 seasons, but he beat Darnold his 3rd season and never had a rating lower than Darnold's best after that. https://www.espn.com/nfl/player/stats/_/id/14876/ryan-tannehill https://www.espn.com/nfl/player/stats/_/id/3912547/sam-darnold I think you can walk away feeling a bit better than Darnold isn't a lost cause when comparing the numbers, but it certainly doesn't say Darnold was the better QB in his first 3 seasons by comparison. The biggest concern is the disparity in completion percentage.

With 17 games, average would be 8.5.

That feels low. I don't expect our offensive line to improve by any large measure this year, lots of new faces, but I also don't believe we're that bad either. I'd put the Panthers around the better worst 1/3rd of offensive lines at the moment.

Never got to go to a Panthers home game. Doesn't seem Mick was super loved, which is weird to me. We had Sean Moth call Louisville games for most of my adult life, and when he retired last year it was pretty gun wrenching. I feel like you have to nail the announcer to give yourself a great game day experience. They can really add to the atmosphere.

Rhule uses the media like he's Rick Pitino. He'll talk about a guy and he's either going to be the greatest sports ball player of all time, or he's going to show up look like Fat Albert when practice starts. Then you see them and they're just normal athlete.

I'm a little torn on him. I thought we looked better than we should at times last year, and other times I thought we looked downright pathetic. I want to see some consistency this year.

I don't necessarily disagree with us being in the lower half of the league without Samuels. Moore is excellent, but I don't really think that much of Robby. Everyone else is a wildcard at this point no matter how excited we are about them as fans. Marshall has to be the answer to our dismal redzone receiving issues, because what we had last year wasn't it, QB or not. We were probably better off fielding a 6th OL than a TE most downs as well. I don't know that we're 20th out of 32, but it certainly isn't that surprising.

It didn't help that we threw money after bad FA signings which made signing guys like Bradberry and Norman way harder than it should have been.

I feel like we're over-rating Anderson. I would hate to see him leave, but he's not on a level like Moose or anything where it would really hurt to see him go.

Not entirely convinced we'll be Top10. Our secondary is still a fairly big mess outside of Horn and Chinn. Jackson is too big a question mark to be counted on, and our LBers don't quite live up to the usual Carolina strength they've been in pass. This defense should be plenty better though, I expect them to be middle of the pack for most of the year, and come on strong at the end if they can avoid injuries.

We'll have more 4 quarter comebacks this year for 3 reasons: 1. Dumb luck - 0-8 was stupidly bad luck. If the Panthers had any sort of luck they'd have been 2-6 last year. 2. Marshall and the defense - We'll finally have a "go to" threat in the redzone, which will benefit the entire offense, and the defense will be improved enough to give us more chances and better field position.

Yep, nothing like making the Otah is better than Little quip, and then realizing you're about 11th in line.

That's not fair, Otah was at least decent at one point.

I would be highly surprised if he puts up that stat line. All of those would represent career highs, by no small margin, for Sam Darnold. It would even be surprising for him to match Teddy's yardage from last year. Sam may turn it around this year, but that is awfully big expectations to put on his shoulders. Putting up those numbers Year 1 outside of the Jets isn't going to be easy for him, nor would it be for anyone that was coming out of a similar situation.

We play 17 games this year, correct me if I'm wrong. With that said I do pretty much agree. I think if everything goes right, 9-8 would be the high water mark. Lots of youth right now, and we might "see the talent" and not get the results.

Jake Delhomme being spun around by his shirt sleeve, and throwing a prayer to Hoover for a TD. Steve Smith sticking his hand in the dirt, shoving off what felt like an entire team of defenders, and running for a TD. Jake Delhomme against the Jaguars in 2003. Cam's first regular season game.

Stewart abused Barber one play, and then D'Will the next. That game probably sealed Gruden's fate with the Bucs that year.

I think we have 3 games I would count as wins, and 6 I would count as toss ups. So I'd say we'll hit 6 wins next year and end up 6-11. If Darnold plays well, this is probably our final "rebuilding" year and we shift towards competing for the playoffs. If not we're probably drafting a QB and extending it another year.