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Don't forget how much attention he got with Hardy out. That certainly hurt things a bit.

Are you wishing him to die? If so GTFO this forum.

Yeah, people don't seem to get that even though we've run some variation of the Coryell offense for the last decade. The West Coast relies heavily on screens so you need that YAC to get first downs. The vast majority of our receiving yards have come during the catch - not after it. That's why possession guys like Moose and deep threats like Steve Smith were so good here. It's also why Olsen is so great for our system despite being slow as molasses.

If your point was Jericho Cotchery is anywhere near as effective as Ricky Proehl, your point is absurd.

When we needed Ricky Proehl to make the game-winning catches, he made them. When Jericho Cotchery had those opportunities, he failed. Do not compare the two. Doing so is what is truly ignorant.

I don't really see a big difference between the two, except Cotchery is declining quickly while Bersin could get better. Plus we're paying Bersin nothing and Cotchery a good amount.

KB Olsen Jennings Ginn Brown Cotchery Dickson Thats a pretty frigging good receiving corps if you ask me. And for all the Bersin haters that means he won't have a job.

Gettlemagic?

The last two-way player. RIP.

He's living in Peru under an assumed name.

Yep. Youth football is very safe. I've been at 30 or so youth games the past few years and I've never once seen a serious injury or even a concussion.

Ugh. This is the nightmare scenario that made us pay Charles Johnson a boatload of money...

Correct list, except in between 1 and 2 should be 'get a time machine'. That's required to access the video store.

So why are you angry at him for accepting a good contract, rather than at management for paying him a lot of money to only get 30% of carries each year?

And how is that his fault? Please elaborate on that.

According to FO he was in at least one category. And again... HIS CONTRACT IS NOT HIS FAULT. Stop blaming him for it. He did about as much as you'd expect an aging back splitting carries three or four ways to do. If anything you should be more pissed off at Jonathan Stewart.

FO pegged his season as being top ten or even top five. Not a stretch to call that "excellent". I'd argue he's had three 'excellent' seasons, with 'excellent' defined as being top ten or top five: 2008, 2009, and 2011. He was a top-five or ten back those years. His 'good' seasons (2007 and 2013) were middle-of-the-road type years. The only truly bad years he's had were 2012 and 2014. And yes, you did. You said he hadn't done anything in the last four years.

I agree Stewart had a good season... really an underlooked one. I just don't think there's any way you can justify saying Williams didn't have a good year as well, though. And you've been so critical of Williams that's why you have the reputation. I agree the contract was a bad idea. Was it Williams' fault for taking it, though? No. I agree with cutting him. Was it his fault? Yeah. I agree that his production steadily declined. I hope he has a nice year and can crack 10,000 yards from scrimmage before he retires. I just don't see a reason to trash him as a '3rd or 4th option' on the Steelers. That's absurd when you look at the backs behind him. He's not a horrible player - he's average. Maybe slightly above average with a good line.

Because we used him extensively in the receiving game, while DeAngelo was not.. As I mentioned, FO saw him as the better back and DeAngelo as also being top ten. He had nearly 1,200 total yards (about as much as DeAngelo had in 2013, FTR). I understand you don't like DeAngelo Williams. But 2011 was a really good year for him - statistically or otherwise. Not being as good as one player does not mean you aren't good.

I disagree. He got more carries than Stewart and more touchdowns. On a whole I think the rushing attack was very good that year - Football Outsiders gave them the best running DVOA in their history, more than the 2000 Rams and 2002 Chiefs. Moreover the rushing attack was fairly balanced - DeAngelo got more carries and had a few more touchdowns, while Stewart had an extensive role in the screen game (47 catches). Both had 5.4 YPC. Football Outsiders had him as eight in DYAR (yards above replacement), third-best back in terms of DVOA (defense adjusted value over average) and 10th in YAR (yards above replacement). To be fair, in those same categories Stewart ranked higher - fourth in DYAR, fifth in YAR, and second in DVOA. But DeAngelo certainly did not have a bad year. For comparison, in 2012 DeAngelo ranked 25th in DYAR, 28th in YAR, and 26th in DVOA. That was a genuinely awful season. In 2013, DeAngelo was 12th in DYAR (a generic back would have finished with 126 less yards than he did), 20th in YAR, and 16th in DVOA. That's a fairly average season, which I contend would have been better if we didn't play Stewart at all. So really I don't think it is fair to say DeAngelo didn't do anything. Now, should we have resigned DeAngelo after 2010 in hindsight? No. Drafting Cam made either him or Stewart expendable, and there is no need to pay two backs good money to split carries when you have a QB who will take 30% of the carries and yards. Stewart was younger so we should have signed him. To me, it's very hard to get into a rhythm when you only get 10 carries a game - that's part of the problem. But we had him, and given our situation he didn't do half bad.

4 million over two years is a bit much for a camp body. They are not going to have Dri Archer or Josh Harris starting the first two weeks. He is going to start the first two games. He might actually play well because they have a good line. After that, he'll be a backup the rest of the season. I know that doesn't compute with your whole 'DeAngelo sucks he's terrible nobody likes him he's garbage shouldn't have a job he kills puppies and eats unicorns and fumbles' thing. But you aren't a GM.

2011 - Excellent season. 836 yards and 7 TDs for a YPC average of 5.4, while splitting carries three ways. About as good as you can ask for in that situation. 2012 - Bad season. However, that last game against New Orleans is the best game a Panthers back has ever had. 2013 - Good season. Nearly 1,200 total yards in 15 games, and a respectable 4.3 YPC average - especially when you consider he only had 6 20+ yard runs. I did a whole post on how he was actually pretty good during the 10 games he played without having to split with Stewart. See it 2014 - Bad season. First game was alright, and it was downhill from there. Roughly as bad as Jonathan Stewart's 2013 season. In short - one excellent season, two good seasons, two bad seasons. Not ideal, but he's certainly not 'done nothing'

Yeah CRA you obviously know so much more about the Steelers than their GM. Their 2x Super Bowl winning GM is just too stupid to see how DeAngelo is an awful terrible no good person who sucks and can't run and fumbles all the time and is injured all the time and that isn't better than their rookies who both had amazingly awesome seasons next year. What was he thinking?

These people are seriously delusional. If they don't think DeAngelo's done anything in four years I don't know what team they've been watching.

LOL.