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Butker was cut because he looked worse than Gano in camp and the preseason, and Gano and Butker have had essentially indistinguishable stats since the draft. Exception was last year with the Giants, where Gano was pretty bad but also was struggling with injury. The problem wasn't picking Gano. The problem was picking Gano, and then cutting him a few years later in favor of Joey Slye, who is the worst kicker in team history. Piniero is actually a really good kicker too, just not quite as good as Butker or Gano have been. I think we'll be going with him for some time now because he's a top ten league kicker. Of all the positions to complain about, kicker is actually the one where we are in an OK spot now.

If he hadn’t gotten injured in preseason in 2002, Foster could have been a special player for us. So much natural talent.

He's marginally taller here than Mina Kimes. She insists she was wearing four inch heels, but still.

Idk, DJ Moore was great and Curtis Samuel looked solid here. It’s the Fitterer picks that blow

He's great at dinners.

2.0 Hurney drafted DJ Moore, Brian Burns, Jeremy Chinn, and Derrick Brown. Aka the only players on this roster over the last few years to even in conversation as top ten league talents. Our talent evaluation and drafts have sucked since. Most of the biggest holes we had post-Gettleman were self-inflicted wounds he caused. Cutting all our offensive lineman in 2014 and never fixing it. Terrible receiving core because we cut Steve Smith. Cutting Josh Norman because his agent was rude. Stuff like that. Hurney wasn't great, but the root of all this is Gettleman.

We didn't perpetually have top-ten picks, and it's not actually easy to hit on players in the top ten. Hurney picks 2002 - #2 overall, Peppers 2003 - #8 overall, Jordan Gross 2004 - #31 overall, Chris Gamble 2005 - #14, Thomas Davis 2006 - #27 overall, DeAngelo Williams 2007 - #25 overall, Jon Beason 2008 - #13 overall, Jonathan Stewart, #19 overall, Jeff Otah 2011 - #1 overall, Cam Newton 2012 - #8 overall, Luke Kuechly As you can see, Hurney drafted in the top ten only four times. One of those (2002) was not his fault. The other three arguably were (although that 2002 team being 7-9 is way better than most 1-15 followups). On three of those, Marty Hurney picked Hall of Fame-caliber players, and the other was one of the best tackles in the league up until he retired. That is insane. There is no other GM I can think of with that track record. What's more impressive is what Hurney did outside the top 10. Gamble is the most underrated cornerback in NFL history - solid lockdown guy for a firm decade. Beason was by far the best MLB in the league for three years until an injury. Williams was a top-tier back. And his mid-rounders? Also all great. Davis single-handedly solved Michael Vick. Core member of the 2015 team. Stewart was also a core member of that team. Otah was a top-five lineman for the two seasons he was healthy in. That's the worst-case Hurney first-rounder - a guy who only gave two Pro Bowl-caliber seasons. We could pretty much bet every single year that our #1 pick would be an immediate impact player at minimum and a core franchise guy for a decade to come, in all likelihood. Hurney's drafts were, quite literally, the core of two separate Super Bowl rosters. We've not had anything like it since. Also, I feel like people drastically overestimate how "bad" the Panthers were. From 2000 to 2018 we only finished with less than 7 wins twice - 2001 and 2010. Over that time period our win percentage was comparatively high. The problem was a lack of consistent success (two years of which - 2004 and 2007 - were entirely due to injuries). Now we are truly a bottom-feeding team

I don't hate Bryce. I hate how this team played with him, I hate what we gave up, and I hate how wrong the pick was in hindsight. Maybe he'll be Tua. I doubt it. That's probably his peak, so... I hope he hits it.

Yup. Not gonna gaslight 15 garbage games, sorry. He had one great game, would love to see more of that, but I don't count on it, and I'm not gonna pretend last season was worth a #1 pick

The Alabama fans will be gone after next year, hopefully.

Gilbert wasn't a trade, it was signing a tagged player and forfeiting picks as a result

With three straight top 10 picks, we drafted a cornerback (a luxury pick) that can't stay healthy, a left tackle that can't pass block (and that everyone knew couldn't pass block), and a noodle-armed midget QB. And that's just the first round! The rest are worse

I don't want a shiny object, but I don't want a retread who, down by four with 3 minutes left in the fourth quarter, chose to kick a field goal on the one yard line. And that's not even counting 28-3. Enough with the failed retreads.

Hiring Quinn would almost be enough for me to dump this team, we cannot keep giving mediocre coaches with glaring flaws second chances.

You don’t trade all your talent and a #1 pick for a benchwarmer.

Dak is a game manager, not a game changer. Cam was right. ESPN has tried to make Dak a thing forever but he is not it.

Defenses have figured him out.

We’re in the worst position we’ve ever been as a franchise. Bereft of talent, no draft picks to fix if, obnoxious and incompetent owner, and a midget QB that has less arm strength than Cam’s corpse. There’s no hope. This team will likely continue to suck for years to come. The coping will continue.

I have an understanding from watching him this year. He looks awful. Indefensibly awful. He threw for under 3000 yards and had more turnovers than TDs in a full season against one of the most favorable defensive schedules in the league. He looked good in exactly one game, and terrible in the rest. You can count the “wow” moments on one finger. He’s a physically limited midget with a noodle for an arm, Jimmy clause could rip passes faster than him His best case is Alex Smith. Worst case is he’s unemployed in half a year. We should genuinely consider a Trent Richardson move because I’ve seen nothing that indicates he’ll be able to lead a championship team. Maybe if we give him the talent the Dolphins have he’d look serviceable, but that doesn’t cut it in this league

Mac Jones, Tua, Bryce, Jalen Hurts... all of them looking like flops. Mac is terrible, Bryce looked like the worst QB in the league, and Tua has one of the best amounts of talent in the league behind him and can't get anywhere in the playoffs. We got fleeced by a school that repeatedly pumps out limited prospects

There are very few worlds where a quarterback who literally can't throw 40 yards downfield suddenly looks like a worldchanger, and all of them require us getting all pros at every skill position. Sam Darnold actually looked significantly better than Bryce here.

Sure there is. Bryce misses receivers when they are wide open, routinely fails to even attempt NFL-open passes, and has the worst stats a full-season QB has had for this team since Chris Weinke. What more do I need to see? Good players elevate those around them, and he hasn't.

Reupping this

Yes, but what was his S2 score, and is he good at dinner?

Allen at least was able to string together a few good games in a row and never looked totally incompetent. Bryce... he has one good game. A great one, in fact. Best I've seen in years. But he also has 15 other ones that were bad to awful.