Dragoon11

But they are professionals, not college or high school players. They understand the situation and the reason. Trust me, they're beating themselves for the loss, not even giving the knell down a second thought. I think these guys like playing for Canales. I don't sense locker room strife with these guys. Trust me, I get where you're coming from, it a fair take. But at that point in the game it's not perceived as quitting. Who's to say he didn't ask the team? Stands to reason if a key player can get hurt on the first play of the game, a key player can on the last play. Imagine that discussion? If Dowdle goes down on a play that is meaningless when they are playing for the title next week?

This really says A LOT about this organization. Less about individual players and more about management when the lack of success has become generational. The Panthers between 1995 and 2015 were a fairly successful team, with the exception of a couple of rebuild years in between. The one cornerstone IMO, and that speaks to the "keep pounding" mantra has always been having a top tier hard nosed defense. IDK, today's NFL is a little different. Defense certainly still matters, but I think having a true franchise QB and real depth is what you need to be consistently successful. Oh... and great organizational management that KNOWS the formula for success.

Lol, very nice! Back when Julius Peppers was hitting his stride and Smitty was becoming THAT guy! Panthers defense was elite during the Fox era. Had Rucker opposite of Peppers, Kris Jenkins, Minter, and of course Dan Morgan. I didn't start paying for monthly Internet until around that time. Became a huddle member around 2012 or 2013. Very nice memory!

Ahh, what a nice walk down memory lane. Back when we expected the Panthers to win games. Not surprised.

These are semantics. We see teams take out starters all the time in run away games. It's not a new thing. We lost our starting TE on the first play from scrimmage, then a special teams player. By this time of year I think it's fair to say the kids have earned their money. And it makes sense not to have unnecessary risk at the end of a game that has clearly been decided already, especially considering the magnitude of next week's game on the road. I get your point, but at the same time... this isn't what was to take from this game.

Good take! I can agree with that! Players have to make plays in the big moments. Obviously, easier said than done. But very true, Panthers had golden opportunities in the first have to seize momentum in a hostile environment. They HAVE to get a TD after that strip by Scourton. It's playoff level football. Every opportunity! We're still in control, but a young team still figuring things out... clearly!

And there's two types of azzholes in this world 1) one that thinks their opinion is the ONLY opinion, and just throws insults at everyone that has a different take. And 2) one that has ZERO idea they are such and has nothing truly original to add to a conversation. Maybe the Panthers were simply outmatched today. Is that a FAIR take? You know, in case you didn't hear, the Seahawks are not too shabby. But since you mention it, out of the 24 vast amount of pass attempts, how many WERE go, post, or seem routes?? And Id say the biggest majority of people here are aware of Young's inabilities/shortcomings. With a few radical exceptions of course. Because, you know, none of us really need instructions for heating your beloved poo tarts.

I'm not advocating for his firing. This is the best the Panthers have been in a long time. We are trending upward. Just talking about the game plan on offense today. Did we EVER think Rico was going to run for 200 yards today against Seattle's defense?

I like this take, there's certainly a good amount of blame to throw at Bryce, I give you that. But look at when we got that fumble in the first half. We had the ball inside the red zone or close. Canales runs Rico and he gets 8 yards. So 2 and 2 at around the 8 yard line. Then, Canales doesn't even take one shot at the end zone. We run it two straight time into the strength of Seattle's defense. Was a moment in the game to TAKE the momentum. Seems sometimes that situational awareness is lost on Canales. And how much did we even try to stretch the field today? Not counting junk time. Stop being afraid to turn it lose! Yes, Seattle one of the best defenses in the NFL. BUT, how much of the 56 total passing yards were just schemed that way? At least we could know for sure if it's MORE Bryce than coach.

That doesn't even make sense. If he's game planning to his weaknesses you can also say he's game planning to his strengths as well. We've seen Bryce make tough throws. How many people threw up stats about Bryce being the most accurate deep ball passer this week? I would call that a strength. It's just, why did we not see that this game? We can also acknowledge that Seattle is a VERY good football team and very well coached. I just think Canales gets too conservative in these big games sometimes. You HAVE to take shots!

Yeah he should, because what's the freaking difference? If we're not good enough then that is the REAL story. Sad part is Tampa is no better

It's infuriating because this time of year when every game IS a playoff game you must throw a good amount of caution to the wind. Let your play makers make plays! It either happens or it doesn't but at least you give them the opportunity.

Lol, fans screaming at each other. We're tied at half and held one of best offenses in the league to 3 points. Everyone chill! All and all... it could be worse! We've seen it

Yeah, we're RIGHT there. Defense playing like they want it. Offense has to match intensity!

Almost a turnover there at the half with 3 seconds left (backward pass). Canales really needs to get his play calling together. Defense playing lights out with zero help from a scared offense. This is playoff level football, time to play a little more aggressive on offense!

Dave doing that "be super careful" play calling today. Play not to lose.

No, you don't. But one of the elements that most fans have been asking for is play makers and big time plays in big moments. We had another big TD throw against the Saints, but again, the Panthers need it on a more consistent basis. Lack of it has been coaching AND personnel. To see some of it emerging is hopeful at best. They just cannot put it all together week to week. These last three games will tell us even more.

Which is so confounding, considering the big time plays they made on 4th down against the Rams. They just cannot do it consistently. Seems like they are more relaxed and tuned in during the games they are not expected to win. Leans towards simply KNOWING you have the ability to do it. Then again, how much is Canales holding them back from it? Again, confounding!

Look, maybe offer an opinion instead of just trolling. Tyler Shough in the what, 4 games he has started has more 200 yard passing games than Bryce has all season. Is that Bryce? Is it coaching? Is it just lack of overall talent? All of those could be true at the same time. So what exactly was wrong with his take Mr. analytics? Please, do share your other worldly insights. I've been a part of this forum since around 2013, and never have I seen fans of the same team act so nasty towards each other... to what freaking gain???

This is exactly what I have said. This team does not have the "difference makers" yet. Rozeboom had a fumble right in his hands. Tmac had a TD right in his hands he just could not secure. Sure was a good play by the defender, but it was RIGHT there. The late hit on the slide by Shough to put them in better FG position. Horn getting beat AGAIN by Olave on a critical down. The pass rush was there today, those guys showed up. But... when the game was on the line and they needed a big time play, who stepped up?? Not ONE player! Panthers were in prime position to win this game. All they needed was one or two plays. Rozeboom coming up with that fumble, Horn breaking that pass up. Getting a first down when we went for it on fourth in that crucial moment. This all after a bye week and the Falcons helping them out by beating the Bucs. I know it's a fickle league, but if there are play makers in this team, they need to learn to step up during the most important times. They should not have lost this game! I mean, we had the momentum and everything looked good... what happened? Sorry for the rant, I'm just more upset over this loss to the Saints than the last!

I will take solace in the fact that my high school football team won the state title Friday night. First time in 47 years! Go Watauga Pioneers! You know what I saw in that push for the title? A team in the quarter and semi-finals that made crucial plays when it was needed most. That's an element this Panthers team greatly needs. The players HAVE to step up and make makes... plain and simple!

I don't think any individual team stands to gain anything from that though. Will be inconsistency across the board.

Finally, an answer I can get on board with! I kind of lean this way too. Whether we like it or not, the league has done an incredible job of creating parity. There's not a lot that separates the good teams from just the ok teams. It just comes down to the leaders and star players in the team coming up big in the biggest moments. So far, the Panthers just cannot do that consistently. Will they? Is the talent there? Is the sheer determination in the locker room? We're going to find out.

I wasn't being serious when I stated that. I don't buy into that notion at all

Seriously though...