Dragoon11

The majority of Panthers fans have no expectations at this point.

Lol, because he threw for over 200 today. I understand both sides of the argument. Would they say the same thing if Bryce had thrown for 100 yards and two picks today? He didn't though. He actually had a pretty good day, and it did look like play calling was more of the reason. And that's what we cannot seem to figure out. How much is BY and how much is Canales being the OC? Either way, we're still in purgatory.

Yeah, I will never understand that play. There's a REAL lack of situational awareness going on with the play calling.

Yeah, I'm not sure why Dave, as an inexperienced head coach, has decided to take the reigns as the play caller on offense. It hasn't been a good look for him this year, especially after today. Typically, if the defense holds a team to 16 points you should be able to win. We've seen this defense exceed expectations and make crucial stops and turnovers. Just to watch the offense not take advantage. Panthers are losing because of the offense and it's as clear as day.

That's the biggest take away that I get. Panthers had 4 opportunities to win this division. Even when Tampa was gift wrapping it to us. That's the most frustrating thing. Who cares if we beat GB, and the Rams? We also lost to the Bills 40-9 and the Patriots 42-13, so what does that say? We couldn't beat the Saints ONE time, and that's all they needed. All we've proven is that we cannot win games that matter the most, which honestly, is most games.

Which would speak more about the state of the NFL and the game we love more than anything. Because if Rico is doing that so are other players. Maybe it's time to stop supporting this league if this is true. As hard as that may be. It's sure not the game I grew up watching. Neither is college football. Just saying... IF this is the case.

I apologize if it wasn't a designed flea flicker. But if it wasn't it's even worse. REALLY cements the fact we're not close to being a playoff team... we have bigger problems.

I was saying the same thing. I mean, the pass game was working FAIRLY well. Why in the world in a game where we've already seen multiple drops by both teams, in those conditions, would you call a flea flicker? Have they even attempted one this year? Just shows you the lack of situational awareness of Canales. Just desperation. WTF.

Dave "the Pete Carroll prodigy" Canales! That's who! He really pulled one deep from his sleeve on that call! Play was called "deep dagger... on two!"

LMAO! Yeah, what a BRILLIANT call by Canales in wet conditions when the pass game was going ok. Just genius!

We're ALL pissed, and rightfully so. Sick of this shat!!

Because of the way they have done it. They've had what, three or four games to wrap this up, EVEN when the Bucs were gifting it to us and just shat all over the bed. It's not that we don't want them to make the playoffs, it's just that there's ZERO pride to be taken here. Let's be honest, if they do make it and host a playoff game, how do you think it will go? "Oh, anything can happen". Well it has for the last few weeks, and yet. In all honesty, the NFL should change the rules. If a division winner finishes with a losing record, it should default to the non-eligible playoff team with best record gets in.

Probably the truest take we've had here in a while. There's ZERO dog on this team. Ultimately, there's just not enough talent overall. The Seattle game made that apparent!

I'm not. This team in no way deserves to be a playoff team, and a warm up game for a real playoff team.

Good point. It's a "product of their own success" kind of scenario. At the beginning of the season no one here expected this team to be playing for the division title in week 16 or 18 this year. Fans have been SOOO hungry for winning that they cannot stay objective with a very young team that is still developing. It's so obvious the Panthers need a few more pieces and consistency all around. But, it seems the microscope suddenly became bigger when they exceed expectations. When the reality is, they're the same team we thought MIGHT win 7 games at best this year. It's just that the rest of the teams in the division have performed well below expectations, so there's a bit of a false hope now. Not saying they cannot continue to exceed, but this time of year the real NFL talent emerges. No room for error anymore.

But that was because of the steroids. They had to stop after 2003. Then they became smart!!

But they are professionals, not college or high school players. They understand the situation and the reason. Trust me, they're beating themselves for the loss, not even giving the knell down a second thought. I think these guys like playing for Canales. I don't sense locker room strife with these guys. Trust me, I get where you're coming from, it a fair take. But at that point in the game it's not perceived as quitting. Who's to say he didn't ask the team? Stands to reason if a key player can get hurt on the first play of the game, a key player can on the last play. Imagine that discussion? If Dowdle goes down on a play that is meaningless when they are playing for the title next week?

This really says A LOT about this organization. Less about individual players and more about management when the lack of success has become generational. The Panthers between 1995 and 2015 were a fairly successful team, with the exception of a couple of rebuild years in between. The one cornerstone IMO, and that speaks to the "keep pounding" mantra has always been having a top tier hard nosed defense. IDK, today's NFL is a little different. Defense certainly still matters, but I think having a true franchise QB and real depth is what you need to be consistently successful. Oh... and great organizational management that KNOWS the formula for success.

Lol, very nice! Back when Julius Peppers was hitting his stride and Smitty was becoming THAT guy! Panthers defense was elite during the Fox era. Had Rucker opposite of Peppers, Kris Jenkins, Minter, and of course Dan Morgan. I didn't start paying for monthly Internet until around that time. Became a huddle member around 2012 or 2013. Very nice memory!

Ahh, what a nice walk down memory lane. Back when we expected the Panthers to win games. Not surprised.

These are semantics. We see teams take out starters all the time in run away games. It's not a new thing. We lost our starting TE on the first play from scrimmage, then a special teams player. By this time of year I think it's fair to say the kids have earned their money. And it makes sense not to have unnecessary risk at the end of a game that has clearly been decided already, especially considering the magnitude of next week's game on the road. I get your point, but at the same time... this isn't what was to take from this game.

Good take! I can agree with that! Players have to make plays in the big moments. Obviously, easier said than done. But very true, Panthers had golden opportunities in the first have to seize momentum in a hostile environment. They HAVE to get a TD after that strip by Scourton. It's playoff level football. Every opportunity! We're still in control, but a young team still figuring things out... clearly!

And there's two types of azzholes in this world 1) one that thinks their opinion is the ONLY opinion, and just throws insults at everyone that has a different take. And 2) one that has ZERO idea they are such and has nothing truly original to add to a conversation. Maybe the Panthers were simply outmatched today. Is that a FAIR take? You know, in case you didn't hear, the Seahawks are not too shabby. But since you mention it, out of the 24 vast amount of pass attempts, how many WERE go, post, or seem routes?? And Id say the biggest majority of people here are aware of Young's inabilities/shortcomings. With a few radical exceptions of course. Because, you know, none of us really need instructions for heating your beloved poo tarts.

I'm not advocating for his firing. This is the best the Panthers have been in a long time. We are trending upward. Just talking about the game plan on offense today. Did we EVER think Rico was going to run for 200 yards today against Seattle's defense?

I like this take, there's certainly a good amount of blame to throw at Bryce, I give you that. But look at when we got that fumble in the first half. We had the ball inside the red zone or close. Canales runs Rico and he gets 8 yards. So 2 and 2 at around the 8 yard line. Then, Canales doesn't even take one shot at the end zone. We run it two straight time into the strength of Seattle's defense. Was a moment in the game to TAKE the momentum. Seems sometimes that situational awareness is lost on Canales. And how much did we even try to stretch the field today? Not counting junk time. Stop being afraid to turn it lose! Yes, Seattle one of the best defenses in the NFL. BUT, how much of the 56 total passing yards were just schemed that way? At least we could know for sure if it's MORE Bryce than coach.