WOW!!

What was Dom contract.. Not nearly close to Rhules.. Plus Jerry gave Seifert more then 2 years and he barely went to practice.. Using Jerry as a example isn't good.. He stuck with coaches more then most owners..

Yes but you went threw the process for longer then what you're asking Tepper to do now... Let's also remember that Rhule 1st year was during a pandemic where he didn't get nearly the preperation and time normally given to new coaches.. No extra TC, Pre season or longer offseason.. Plus most of his team meetings and film sessions were done over the computer.. That's like buying a property and it being flooded for half the year before you can assets the damages to your original investment... I've bought semi that were lemons when I bought them but I made that investment and had to Atleast put work into them before making them a total loss.. It happens in all business.. But you never dump a investment with this much money to soon..

So you're good with throwing away 25 mil after 2 years on a 7 year investment.. He either knew it was going to be a process or he could have done just a 5 year deal .. Either way it's even more stupid to do this deal for that much money and give up after 2 years..

He might but it's not literally paying 5 more years on a 70 mil deal to a person sitting at Whatever University..

I love how some ppl decide what's so easy to do with not your money... I want Rhule fired but reality is he has huge money left on this deal (that none of us are paying) and none of us would be so quick to throw away money like that either... He made the bed now we have to lay in it..

You said he was a force and he has nearly Identical stats with Brown.. Now you're making excuses for changes in defense.. And the double team thing really?? Beyond this we still have 4 DT under age 25 . That doesn't seem like a need or more something we should be using more assets on When Hopefully more development and better coaching could be the answer..

https://www.nfl.com/players/derrick-brown/stats/career Vs https://www.nfl.com/players/vita-vea/stats/career Nearly Identical stats ... My bad I meant Sheldon Rankin not Suh...

Oline is the problem not Chubba

I see more talent in FA at TE then the draft..

Vea didn't make a impact his 1st 2 season.. neither did Suh, McCoy , or Williams.. So temper your expectations based on position.. Most DT take time no matter how high you draft them.. And We have like 4 DT under the age 25 .. This doesn't seem like a need to add more it seem like a need to be patient and develop them..

MLB I agree with.. do you see any options in FA..

Alot of young Dlinmen that will grow and get stronger.. It takes Dlinmen a few years to grow into their bodies..

I think TE is a position that could improve with a FA vet.. The TE free agent market isn’t bad this year.. https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/free-agents/all/tight-end//

I know it’s not your money and all but is this really a question when you still owe the coach you fired millions of dollars… okay I’ll answer.. Somebody cheap..

Plain and simple.. It’s a 70 million dollar 7 year investment.. No way was he giving up on that after 2 season…

I’ll be fan regardless.. So it is what it is..

Yeah he gave up at least 1 sack and 2 pressure and he missed the block on whitehead on Cam’s run play.. Wasn’t great but context it was his 2nd start in a rookie season of switching position all year..

Its starting to be not fuging funny every week... Ref protecting every other QB but ours and making phantom penalties up to keep drives going for the other team..

Absolutely nothing.. He did nothing but get shoved..

This is getting stupid.. Other then the 1st pick and maybe 2nd pick who gets the exact player?? I swear to god I said a player type. Saying exact players when others teams pick in the draft is stupid strawman argument.. I'm going to dust you now.. Ballard - Is Carson Wentz a Colt if Frank Reich isn't the HC? Lynch - So Shanahan isn't having roster control over a 1st time GM and a system they draft to that was basically designed by his father?? Really?? Loomis - So you think Loomis has roster control over Sean Payton?? You do remember from 2012 to 2020 he was head of Basketball for the Pelicans.. So you actually think he had roster control like that with 2 jobs?? Spielman - Zimmerman Idk now since he might be gone after this season.. Telesco - You might be right here because he seem to run poo in LA like Gettlmen does in NY.. So do I know the GM you think Google help you find?? At this point you're just Google NFL GM and given no example showing that GM has full roster control of the team.. Which again I said "Most coaches have final say on the roster they coach" .. Most good GM'S draft to the philosophy and scheme of the head coach.. The whole point of this thread was to blame Fitt for putting this roster together ( a roster most of us thought could be a .500 team) When all Fitt did was get the players that fit Rhule scheme.. Which is something you want your GM to do... The fact the GM was able to get what the coaches want while keeping the salary cap in good shape makes A GM good or bad.. The fact we know Fitt did his job while serving 2 masters (HC, Owner) and fielded a team that we all feel should be better or (what's the reason to be as disappointed as we are).. Is more reason why thos thread is dumb to blame Fitt for this mess and not Rhule and Tepper...

This is getting stupid.. Other then the 1st pick and maybe 2nd pick who gets the exact player?? I swear to god I said a player type. Saying exact players when others teams pick in the draft is stupid strawman argument.. I'm going to dust you now.. Ballard - Is Carson Wentz a Colt if Frank Reich isn't the HC? Lynch - So Shanahan isn't having roster control over a 1st time GM and a system they draft to that was basically designed by his father?? Really?? Loomis - So you think Loomis has roster control over Sean Payton?? You do remember from 2012 to 2020 he was head of Basketball for the Pelicans.. So you actually think he had roster control like that with 2 jobs?? Spielman - Zimmerman Idk now since he might be gone after this season.. Telesco - You might be right here because he seem to run poo in LA like Gettlmen does in NY.. So do I know the GM you think Google help you find??

Waste of my time.. I've given you multiple examples and multiple reasons while you come up with absolutely nothing just naming teams that have been for years given the HC final say on the roster.. You haven't name 1 GM with a scheme or philosophy that drafts for their system instead of coaches.. You haven't name 1 GM who picks players cuts after training camp ends.. You haven't name 1 GM that runs the who is active and who is not on game day.. So where is the GM that has total "control" over the roster??

Playing semantics are we?? Or being vague for no reason.. We are talking about roster decision. Just saying control is your stupid ass way of hiding the total waste of time you are... Wtf does just control mean?? Never mind idgaf at this point..

I don't even know what you're debating at this point.. Every coach for the most part has final roster say and if they don't they are about to be fired..

Every team... I didn't say Tepper didn't have roster say.. I'd said Coaches usually have final roster say.. And most if not all GM'S (Except Gentlemen) get players that fit there coach desired philosophy..