WOW!!

They are clear and the tape is clear as well.. You have 1 players who is constantly (on tape) making contested catches.. Compare to player who is constantly getting enough separation to have a better yard after catch avg., making more deeper plays down the field and not making as many contested catches. . Also 1 player week after week is playing better competition. . You can sit here and act like 4.42 is no different than 4.56 but there is a difference.. You can see that 4.56 isn't a deep threat like 4.42.. You can see that 4.42 rarely gets caught from behind. . 4.56 Gets caught from behind often.. You can see that Macklin (4.4 guy) is a different speed than Lafell and Crabtree (4.5 guys).. Again nobody is saying Hardy isn't one of the better route runners in this class.. He absolutely is.. But he isn't better at it than other players in this class and it isn't that hard to see..

The problem here is we aren't talking about value or who is the better WR P55.. We were debating 1 trait that Agholor is better than Hardy in.. He is a better route runner. . He's faster, he's quicker , he gets more separation, he is a deep threat .. This isn't debatable because all the numbers from the combine and pro day say so.. The tape shows 1 guy making way more contested catches and the other catching way more bombs.. You want to sit here and act like 4.42 is no different than 4.56 really?? You don't have to be a expert to see there is a difference. .

Serious question How can you form a opinion but say "I haven't watch one of the comparison players". .. play"??

What DT rotation in the league has 2 Starting Quality under 25 years old and a backup 1st rounder? Is it a new rule that you only have 1st round DT'S in rotation? ? Can we go with the older guys and Kyle Love (people seem to forget he is in the mix) for another season and maybe use a later round pick to build depth?? Don't we use DE'S on passing downs at 3tech?? Does that count in our rotation?? Am I the only person thinking it's a luxury to have that many resources in 1 position??

1. Reading comprehension? ? Dude you called him.Coleman??? His name is Colin Cole not Coleman. . You don't even know the players name but feel the need to make a statement on his play?? Really?? Oh I'm still waiting on you to tell me a team that has 2 Starting Quality DT'S under 25 and a 1st round back-up? ?? 2. Oh I forgot Dupree who also is better than Owizuwuin.. Add him to the list.. 3. Every body in this thread will see the major miscalculation you just made.. Agholor will be picked before 57 and you will be my bitch. .

Side note to all... Please stop using Walter's football as a reference to talent evaluation. . They are the worst at predicting draft position. .

1.There is no DT on the roster Name Coleman genius. . Do you mean Colin Cole who started more than half the season isn't a starter. . Probably not but Star, Short and Edwards are....It's a luxury to have a 1st round back-up .....plain and simple logic... 2. Leonard Williams Flowers Gregory Ray Beasley That would be the top 5 rated Pass Rushers in this class. Your boy is battling Edwards, Harold and Smith to be next on the list.. 3. Cool beans you can be my bitch for the rest of your huddle life for all I care..

1. It's a luxury to have 3 quality starting DT on a team.. We have 4.. It's a luxury to have a 1st round back-up.. Name a team that has 2 under 25 starting DT'S highly drafted and a 1st round back-up? ? Don't worry i'll wait. . 2. He isn't Ansah or Ealy again.. Both were more productive in college and Ealy was rated pretty high before the draft process knock him down.. Oziguwighwu only got talked up after the combine.. 3. I was talking about you getting your sig "I'm Wow's bitch" in 2 weeks and 2 days. . As soon as Agholor is drafted before the 57th pick.. No doubt you're keeping that poo for a year..

I will give you Jamal Charles. . Only problem is Gordon fumbles a lot and isn't nearly the pass catcher Charles and McCoy are.. He also isn't good at blocking and doesn't handle between tackle runs because again ball security. .

1st Nobody is saying Hardy isn't a good fit here.. I think he would be a nice pick (3rd or 4th round) .. He just not a better route runner than Agholor. . While QB play and Oline could be a reason. . It isn't like Agholor is playing with Luck.. Carden may actually be drafted...I don't know id the QB at USC is even close to being on Carden's level. . Again Nelson is definitely quicker and more of a deep threat.. Hardy gets separation but Agholor can run past people and he doesn't have to make as many contested catches because of his quickness in and out of breaks..

And Linville you do know your 1st post at me in this thread... Insinuated I must be smoking to have my opinion right?? Isn't that being a little condescending? ?

My opinion is based on stats and it's easily to see on tape.. You put up Greene as a better route runner. . But didn't notice his numbers dropped when he had to face the best CB on each team because KB was gone.. He also consistently got hurt on press coverage and it shows on tape.. So that's why I asked you to do more research. . Hardy while making a lot of contested catches and showing his immaculate hands and body controls.. Was no where near getting the separation and quick twitch route running that Nelson was.. Nor was he getting deep threat separation or forcing CB to back up like Nelson was.. You can see it on flim.. Again that's why I asked you to do more research. . But I never called you dumb for your opinion ... Just look at the tape again and you can see these things. . Sorry if you took it personal. .

I'm smarter on this subject and it's clear... I don't have to post a term paper to show that.. I'm sorry you feel a certain way about me telling you and others to do a little more research before making a strong opinion or statement. . But I'm not calling you a dumbass for your opinion.. just do a little more research before acting like it's fact..

One year wonder and he still doesn't run a full route tree.. Nor is he as smooth in breaks, stop and go, and transition running as Cooper Agholor and McBride. . Not saying he doesn't have more upside or isn't better at other WR traits.. But route running and consistent production over time isn't one of them. N

Do what you like I don't give a fug about my grammar on a football forum. .

Again love McBride.. I've made a thread calling McBride my man crush at WR'S.. But he doesn't get the separation nor is he a deep threat like Agholor. . Both have great hands and McBride is better at High pointing a ball.. But Agholor runs faster routes and did it consistently against better competition. .

1. But you have Star and Short.. They are the long-term players. . How many teams have 2 let alone 4 quality starting DT.. Not to mention on passing downs we move one of our DE's to the 3 tech position. . Another 1st round DT is a luxury pick... 2. Ealy was way more productive and Ansa has done what exactly? ? 3. Good I can't wait to make you my bitch.. Your Sig will be ready in 2 weeks and 2 days..

I love Tre McBride but he doesn't run better routes than Agholor. . Your opinion is already lacking credibility. . You need to do more research and know what your talking about. .

1. Greene just stop .... not nearly as physical in his route running as Nelson.. He gets shut down by press coverage. . 2. I know Hardy went to ESU and people have this love thing for him.. But he doesn't have the speed and quick twitch ability in and out of Breaks as Agholor or get any where near the separation Nelson gets.. . So he can't be a better route runner. . 3. White doesn't even run a full route tree so please do more research before posting a bad opinion. .

Thanks for your opinion. .

Other than Cooper who do you think is a better route runner than Agholor??

There are luxury picks or there wouldn't be a term luxury pick.. You don't go into a season predicting injuries especially when your 4-5 deep at a position. . It is a luxury to have 4-5 starting DT'S on a roster. . 2. He hasn't been a dominant players in his career and the only reason he is even being discussed this high is his combine performance. . Try watching tape before slurping. . 3..Sig bet that Agholor doesn't make it to the 57th pick??

Booooo!!

Your opinion.. Mine Goldman is a luxury pick on a team already stocked deep at DT.. Odizugwuivz whatever is a workout warrior. . And I like Johnson but I think Agholor comes in day 1 and impact this offense. . In this WR'S class he is 2nd only to Cooper I. Route running and consistent production. .