WOW!!

Yeah got you.. okay addition.. Some ppl are valuing 3rd party views of a event they weren’t actually at and “prototype” measurements over actual film, numbers and performances..

So what team did he carry or made the players around him on then.. Because again Cam has done that at every level..

Draft season every year ppl let underware workouts, media hype, and potential undervalue actual performance… Thats why some teams talk themselves into taking Trevon Walker over Adian Hutchinson..

Cam was also a player who could carry a team which also carried over to the NFL.. Richardson hasn’t shown that at any level of football..

I’m done with this argument.. At this point dude’s will claim they saw something on tape that really isn’t there and they will give excuses for things that they don’t do for others and they are letting workouts in underware overvalue actual productions, actual achievements and actual numbers.. Like I said in another thread only thing that stoping Richardson for being number 1.. Is the 3 years he spent in college… He could have just showed up to the combine and had some of you drooling about potential and rode that better.. Then actually having film out there.. Leon Sancastle anyone

Asked Trey Lance and the 49ers about trying to find the next Allen.. At some point the Allen thing might be a outlier and not the norm..

I know this has been posted.. But CJ, Bryce and AR was in this.. Same Class.. CJ barley got a invite and was ranked low early in the competition.. CJ just kept grinding and won the whole thing.. Actually beat out Bryce for starter on the same team.. They both went on to college stardom.. Now they are battling for number 1 pick..

Who you got?? https://www.nfl.com/prospects/drew-sanders/32005341-4e29-0589-5c62-ee6a75833b2f 6’4 235lb Who has played both OLB/edge Rushers and ILB - better outside Vs 6’5 249lb https://www.nfl.com/prospects/jack-campbell/32004341-4d36-4731-433d-b35acfc680bc ILB in a 4-3 most of his college career.. Doesn’t have the experience of a olb in a 3-4 but could possibly learn with his body type.. A guy who can play inside right away or a guy who can be a outside edge right away.. Who you got??

Joe Burrows is older then Sam Darnold.. He put up that amazing season at 23- 24 years old.. CJ and Bryce were putting up Hesiman numbers at 18 and 19 years old.. just saying…

Okay!!!! It’s all good bro ..lmao

@OldhamA you can disagree and poo on my post.. It’s cool just stating fact bro.. lol

Really .. You know why it’s more of a unfair comparison.. CJ 3 years younger CJ didn’t have to transfer form OState CJ produced faster and was a better player in college longer then Burrows who didn’t blow up until his 5th year in college.. https://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/players/joe-burrow-1.html vs https://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/players/cj-stroud-1.html CJ putting up Hesiman numbers as a Sophomore Burrows didn’t until he was a Senior at a different school.. So yeah you might be right.. CJ isn’t Burrows (he might be better) .. lol

I’m not falling for nothing.. I’m looking at reality.. And facts check.. https://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/players/lamar-jackson-1.html Lamar Jackson was a better passer coming out of Louisville then Richardson is now.. More experience play in a pro offense.. So do some research 1st.. Again I’ve watch the tape he isn’t the passer that CJ and Bryce are and he might not never be.. Ppl want to keep making AR talent god giving and CJ and Young talent is learned.. Okay .. At some point this has to start being a on the field advantage and right now it isn’t.. And at some point we have to start looking at Pocket passers getting better at being pocket passers as upside as well because on the field it’s been Winning more consistently and longer..

Got it.. Not the point I was making or the conversation but thank you for telling me something I already know.. You might also want to add in experience and reading defenses as something he needs to work on as well.. Nothing that can’t be fix.. But again the point is.. I don’t want to have to fix a player with some preciveid upside based on athleticism.. When there are 2 better prospects not getting credit for them having upside in a more tangible way…

Not saying he doesn’t.. Not saying he won’t.. I just don’t agree with the more upside thing anymore just because you’re a better athlete..

Again I use to be the better athlete teach him how to be a QB and we will dominate guy.. Im just not seeing that opinion work like I thought it would by now..

Pryor, Vick, VY, Lamar Jackson, even Josh Allen.. All super athletic QB’s who have become better passers coming out of college (except Pryor and VY) but aren’t having the success of lesser athletic QB who seen more for their passing ability..

Being Honest I don’t know anymore!! This isn’t basketball where the biggest fastest athlete with skills makes your team a instant contender… The biggest fastest athlete in football isn’t winning consistently.. Even when they become better passers they aren’t winning as much as the guys who are still better passers.. Add context to your question.. Is it just Allen or do I have a choice of less athletic but better passer like Burrows??? I’m taking Burrows… He had less coaching and worse teams and has been better right??? Well agree to disagree.. I’m changing my opinion until it proves to be more of a thing.. Right now the better passers are becoming better and winning more consistently and lasting longer..

Cam isn’t the only example.. Again I love Cam but the point remains..

Cam isn’t the only example.. Vick, Pryor, VY, Randel Cuunigham, and Lamar Jackson.. There is enough of a data set to see a pattern and see more success then we have..

Come on man CJ and AR are 7 months apart.. and Bryce is 2 months older then CJ .. But the reason they got more experience isn’t their fault.. They all have 3 years in college.. UF sucks but AR could have left and got more experience at a different school.. Again I’m not saying I don’t understand the thought process.. I just don’t want to do it with (imo) 2 better prospects are available.. And I’m done with the better Athlete means more upside thing until it’s more proven on the field..

Let me say this.. I Love Cam.. Cam is my favorite NFL player all time and will always be my QB.. But reality is Cam was the best athlete turned QB ever and most times he was the most dominant player on the field when he played and was healthy… But we still don’t have back to back winning seasons no Super Bowl and lost to a lot of unatheltic QB teams..

That’s a lie.. Where is there proof that going to 3 is the same as going to 1?? And please don’t post no stories where the team says it.. If Arizona trades out of 3 and doesn’t get the same value Chicago did then that is a lie.. And would Arizona really have wanted DJ Moore??

Got all that cool. He is still (watching his film) not at the level as a passers, or QB as 2 guys who are his same age.. Plain and simple.. When does becoming a better passer when you’re already good becomes upside?? When does making better athletes better passers start to bear fruit more often??

Why is that??? Not making less money are they?? And let’s be real.. Hurts (the athletic guy) had the better team in the superbowl..