WOW!!

@OldhamA you can disagree and poo on my post.. It’s cool just stating fact bro.. lol

Really .. You know why it’s more of a unfair comparison.. CJ 3 years younger CJ didn’t have to transfer form OState CJ produced faster and was a better player in college longer then Burrows who didn’t blow up until his 5th year in college.. https://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/players/joe-burrow-1.html vs https://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/players/cj-stroud-1.html CJ putting up Hesiman numbers as a Sophomore Burrows didn’t until he was a Senior at a different school.. So yeah you might be right.. CJ isn’t Burrows (he might be better) .. lol

I’m not falling for nothing.. I’m looking at reality.. And facts check.. https://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/players/lamar-jackson-1.html Lamar Jackson was a better passer coming out of Louisville then Richardson is now.. More experience play in a pro offense.. So do some research 1st.. Again I’ve watch the tape he isn’t the passer that CJ and Bryce are and he might not never be.. Ppl want to keep making AR talent god giving and CJ and Young talent is learned.. Okay .. At some point this has to start being a on the field advantage and right now it isn’t.. And at some point we have to start looking at Pocket passers getting better at being pocket passers as upside as well because on the field it’s been Winning more consistently and longer..

Got it.. Not the point I was making or the conversation but thank you for telling me something I already know.. You might also want to add in experience and reading defenses as something he needs to work on as well.. Nothing that can’t be fix.. But again the point is.. I don’t want to have to fix a player with some preciveid upside based on athleticism.. When there are 2 better prospects not getting credit for them having upside in a more tangible way…

Not saying he doesn’t.. Not saying he won’t.. I just don’t agree with the more upside thing anymore just because you’re a better athlete..

Again I use to be the better athlete teach him how to be a QB and we will dominate guy.. Im just not seeing that opinion work like I thought it would by now..

Pryor, Vick, VY, Lamar Jackson, even Josh Allen.. All super athletic QB’s who have become better passers coming out of college (except Pryor and VY) but aren’t having the success of lesser athletic QB who seen more for their passing ability..

Being Honest I don’t know anymore!! This isn’t basketball where the biggest fastest athlete with skills makes your team a instant contender… The biggest fastest athlete in football isn’t winning consistently.. Even when they become better passers they aren’t winning as much as the guys who are still better passers.. Add context to your question.. Is it just Allen or do I have a choice of less athletic but better passer like Burrows??? I’m taking Burrows… He had less coaching and worse teams and has been better right??? Well agree to disagree.. I’m changing my opinion until it proves to be more of a thing.. Right now the better passers are becoming better and winning more consistently and lasting longer..

Cam isn’t the only example.. Again I love Cam but the point remains..

Cam isn’t the only example.. Vick, Pryor, VY, Randel Cuunigham, and Lamar Jackson.. There is enough of a data set to see a pattern and see more success then we have..

Come on man CJ and AR are 7 months apart.. and Bryce is 2 months older then CJ .. But the reason they got more experience isn’t their fault.. They all have 3 years in college.. UF sucks but AR could have left and got more experience at a different school.. Again I’m not saying I don’t understand the thought process.. I just don’t want to do it with (imo) 2 better prospects are available.. And I’m done with the better Athlete means more upside thing until it’s more proven on the field..

Let me say this.. I Love Cam.. Cam is my favorite NFL player all time and will always be my QB.. But reality is Cam was the best athlete turned QB ever and most times he was the most dominant player on the field when he played and was healthy… But we still don’t have back to back winning seasons no Super Bowl and lost to a lot of unatheltic QB teams..

That’s a lie.. Where is there proof that going to 3 is the same as going to 1?? And please don’t post no stories where the team says it.. If Arizona trades out of 3 and doesn’t get the same value Chicago did then that is a lie.. And would Arizona really have wanted DJ Moore??

Got all that cool. He is still (watching his film) not at the level as a passers, or QB as 2 guys who are his same age.. Plain and simple.. When does becoming a better passer when you’re already good becomes upside?? When does making better athletes better passers start to bear fruit more often??

Why is that??? Not making less money are they?? And let’s be real.. Hurts (the athletic guy) had the better team in the superbowl..

Contexts …. Matt Flynn didn’t just throw 30 plus tds and lead the Seahawks to the playoffs the year before RUss got there.. Flynn was a FA.. This won’t be a competition because Geno is the confirm leader of the team.. Not the same situation..

Why?? I understand bigger faster great athlete thing.. But they aren’t winning super bowls .. We keep saying “once they learn how to pass” but even when they do.. They are still not as consistent or better then the actual passers or “pocket guys” who are less athletic.. I’m waiting on this big change in the environment.. But Brady still wins, Mahomes still wins Stafford wins.. They still find ways to consistently beat the super athletes.. They are still finding ways to orchestrate top offenses without athleticism.. Not debating this because I understand the thinking in this.. But at some point we might need to give credit to the good pocket passers coming out getting better at their craft and that being considered “upside”.. Like this dude is so good at reading defenses and accuracy and anticipation.. That no matter what defense you’re playing he is going to carve you up..

Not after signing Geno.. And actually that would be the best for AR.. Sitting and learning from Geno.. And Again at 5 thru 9 I understand.. At 1 with 2 other better prospects I questioned the thought process.. After trading what we did to acquire that pick.. I questioned the thought process.. Why am I giving up so much to get a project?? Why are we gambling with so much to gamble more?? But again Im a fan whatever they do I will talk myself into.. I really just don’t want to anymore…

I just made and anology I honestly didn’t know it was a manhood test when I did it.. I apologize to my football forum bro’s for liking Vampires and Werewolves flicks..

This is funny.. Same here with wife .. But the story line isn’t bad and the Native American animal transformation is a nice cultural add.. I also like a lot Ann Rice books as well so Twilight hits that same way..

Come out the basement every once in a while..

Suspect?? Lol Yeah whatever I like twilight it’s a good movie.. My manhood was still intact after experiencing it..

You keep adding AR to this conversation….

This forum has turned into a Twilight debate!! Edward vs Jacob = Young vs Stroud lmao!!! Some of you will seriously show up to the draft party with 7 vs 9 cosplay outfits..

Won’t be the 1st 2 years when he’s not playing..