SmokinwithWilly

I can't imagine getting pancaked by a couple 330 lb linemen at that size. Seems like rib injuries would likely be in his future.

We also have never had an offensive minded coach either. I don't need to see us spend a multitude of picks yet to go get a QB. I'm willing to give this coaching staff more than a couple of months to evaluate and find the right QB pick. It could be that they don't think there is one worth trading up to get. Maybe there is. I'm willing to finally allow offensive minded people make some decisions instead of a defensive HC and a wanna be cheerleader.

Fact. 49ers made it to the NFC championship on their 3rd string QB Fact. Both 49ers QBs suffered game ending injuries. Fact. 49ers could not pass because their QB couldn't grip the football and their offense became one dimensional Fact. 3 1sts for Trey Lance is looking like a massive bust right now based on injury and performance history Fact. Neither AR nor LJ were in the championship game. Neither got it done. Fact. If AR or LJ had damaged their ulnar nerve that severely in game, they wouldn't be passing either and would have lost. Fact: Going and spending every asset you have to get AR or LJ or Stroud or Young or whatever shiny object QB you want isn't going to guarantee a Super Bowl win. Fact: You need effective, smart coaches and a smart FO to assemble as complete a team as possible, not just a QB.

The 49ers made it to the NFCCG this year with their 4th string QB. If he hadn't gotten massively injured in that game, it could very well be different. He outplayed the guy they traded 3 1sts to get. Coaching matters more than draft hype.

No. That's Huddle math. It only works in our part of the multiverse.

Right now, Darnold isn't even a viable option since he's a FA and may choose not to return to Carolina if he gets a better offer. Our only option right now is Matt Corral. We currently have zero actual game experience at QB.

It takes an entire team to win a championship, not just a QB. Paying 50 or 60m a year guaranteed for a QB is insane when you have to add in the picks it will cost to go get LJ or AR. Why do you think Brady constantly took less than market value, other than the fact he was making it up in his TB12 BS the Patriots were using and Giselle made more than him? He knew that he couldn't win it all alone. AR or LJ aren't going to get players to come here on a discount for a SB shot. Neither is a rookie QB. There are 52 other players to pay as well as QB. Contrary to what you think, LJ has asked for a fully guaranteed contract. At this point, he's trying to save face because he exercised extremely questionable judgement regarding hiring an agent. I hold far more credibility to DeMaurice Smith than SAS in that regard. That young pass rushing DE will be gone because we won't be able to pay him $30m a year. Bozeman too. Can't pay him if you sign AR or LJ. That leaves you the masterful Pat Elfein. Without young high end talent to replace those that are let go, overall talent level will decline. You better hope that Fitts is an amazing GM because he's going to need to hit on 3 years worth of 3rd - 7th round starters and significant contributors to fill out the roster. This is about more than a single year. If we were a QB away from a SB run, I'd say go for it. We aren't. We haven't built well over the past couple of years. We have some good pieces, but we are very shallow behind those. We're also changing from 4-3 base to 3-4 base which is going to require some shifting and adding in personnel. We need a NT, RB, TE or two, WR, return guy, edge, LBs, FS, slot corner and CB2 (Dante is coming off an Achilles and CJ isn't starter material yet if ever), IOL(C/G preferably), swing tackle, oh yeah, and a franchise QB. That's a lot to pull off in a single year, even 2, not to mention the players that will be leaving in FA, retirement or injury. And you can forget being active in FA because we won't have the cap room to do it. There's a right way and a wrong way to build a contender. Either get your franchise QB in the draft, which I prefer or trade for a LJ, AR, Stafford if you're ready to run now. As long as our FO and coaches believe that the QB they can get has all the attributes necessary to become a franchise QB, great. Go get him if you can. But that means you also need to open yourself to the possibility it could be Carr, Minshew, Brisett, Hooker, Corral, or someone other than Stroud or Young.

Everybody has flaws. It's just can you work around the flaws or get rid of them with development. Some things like character issues i.e. Leaf and Manzel, you can't work around. Other issues like Allen and Mahomes, you can with the right coaching. I hope this coaching staff can look at these QBs and make those determinations. If they see a Mahomes, Allen, Herbert, LJ in this draft, then by all means, go get him. I trust that with this much experience in our FO and coaching staff, we can recognize them and determine if we can work around them. With Rhule I think it was all about getting "X" QB to become OOU and hype them up and that might have worked until gameday when poo hit the fan and the real QB emerged.

People aren't comfortable staying put. They know you have to have a QB to win. They also realize it takes more than a QB to win. Paying an obscene contract and trading away multiple picks is going to make winning the NFC and a possible SB much more difficult. Then you also have to ask yourself, if these guys are so amazing, why are their franchises willing to let them walk? And just saying they're cheap isn't an answer. It's about maximizing value. Having a 2 million dollar sports car is great but if you can never get it above 80, what's the point? I'd rather have a nice car I can drive, a lake house, and a boat to take out on weekends with some extra money in the bank than a car that can never realize it's maximum potential for the same amount of money.

I can probably guess at least 1 Huddle member who was getting all worked up over it.

Will a combine first for me not paying particularly close attention to offensive linemen now that we have Icky and Moton. Of course we could look at backup swing tackle or another IOL, preferably a center that has the ability to play guard, but for the first time it's not a necessity.

This is what happens when you let your mom negotiate a quarter billion dollar contract. He should have looked at what happened with Josh Norman to see how letting unexperienced family negotiating works out for you.

I've mentioned something like this a few times and wished they had a way to test it. I didn't know it already existed and was being used. I would think it could absolutely be used in concussion evaluation. Cognitive processing is affected and having a before and after score every season could lead to being able to monitor the effects and when it's time to really pull the plug on a player for their own long term health i.e. Tua.

Losing a mentor is hard. If they really were that close, I imagine it would similar to losing a parent or sibling. I lost one of mine several years ago and I can tell you, it still fugs with my head sometimes.

Your argument was based on a single stat, QB rating. Obviously there was more to Cam's game than just passing, that's why using a single stat is so deceiving. We have to look at the big picture. And I was a big proponent of getting Minshew instead of Darnold.

I'm not sure how much experience his mom has negotiating quarter billion dollar deals but I'm pretty confident that answer is zero. Ravens aren't being shady. This is business. You bring an amateur to a major contract negotiation and you are going to get taken advantage of every single day and 3 times on Sunday. Trying to save that 10% fee could end up costing him far more. As far as SAS goes, you have 2 guys from the same network offering different versions of the story. The truth is probably somewhere in the middle. Go get Lamar, don't get him. Doesn't matter what you decide as long as you have the ability to build a competitive team around him. If you don't have the assets to build that, there's no point trading for him. It will only hurt you in the long run.

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/35666719/will-quarterback-lamar-jackson-get-franchise-tag-get-traded-become-free-agent-stay-ravens The Lamar camp is Lamar. He's his own agent. ESPN Jeremy Fowler has reported all of Jackson's counter offers to the Ravens have been for fully guaranteed money. Unfortunately for him, it also doesn't look good that he's missed 25% of the season the past 2 years and is 4 years removed from his MVP campaign. The Ravens have an advantage over everyone else in that they don't have to give up draft picks as part of the deal and they still won't do it. There's more to this than just not wanting to pay 133m guaranteed. The Browns were stupid to pay Watson what they did, fully guaranteed. That doesn't mean any other team has to be that stupid.

If the top QBs that we are really interested in are gone by our pick (barring a trade up), I wouldn't mind a trade back to acquire an extra second if possible, grab a top TE prospect and a highly ranked WR. Later in the draft, I wouldn't mind grabbing a 2nd TE like Schoonmaker if he's available in later rounds. Any QB we have is going to need that safety net. Tremble was always a receiving project, and Thomas is well, Thomas. I realize we have several needs and getting 2 TE's might be a bit much, but we have missed Greg since he retired and having that Kelce, Olson, Gronk type weapon(s) has shown to be a very big part of the best NFL offenses. At one point, the Gronk/Hernandez duo terrorized the AFC. I'm not saying we should try to repeat that necessarily, just pointing out that having 2 legitimate threats at TE could be quite beneficial for a young QB.

I live out in the PNW so I have had the "pleasure" of listening to the ranting and raving about RW for years. I can say that when they were winning, people were more willing to tolerate his behavior. In the past few years before the trade to Denver though, fans were not so into this better than everyone else version. It really put a lot of fans off. They cheered for him because he was playing for the Hawks, but that's about it. By the end, they were ready for the drama train to crash somewhere else.

All depends on how the contract is written and the length. I wouldn't want to do a 5 or 6 year contract. Shorter term, I could see doing. Anything more than 3 years, I'm not really interested in.

Teddy B career is 90.5. Cam's is 85.2. Would you rather have Cam or T2G?

Kind of ironic I think that his Pro Bowl years weren't under the guy hosting the NFL rookie QB camp show on ESPN being heralded as a QB whisperer.

Sam Darnold heading into FA once his scores are released...

Would still make more sense than listening to a Rhule press conference.