SmokinwithWilly

Good way to get in good with the fanbase right away.

I really don't want him to be the next Cam. NFL would allow every defense to tee off on head shots then tell him he's not old enough to get the call.

I'm not saying he doesn't hold a share of the blame. I'm saying to look at him and say he's why the Raiders only went to the playoffs once in 9 years is a very narrow minded way of looking at things. You have to look at the overall picture, not just playoff appearances.

https://www.si.com/nfl/2023/02/28/seahawks-pete-carroll-quarterback-2023-draft Despite Geno Smith‘s resurgent campaign in his first season with the Seahawks, head coach Pete Carroll admitted Seattle is mulling all options when it comes to the 2023 draft, including potentially drafting a quarterback. During a media address on Tuesday, Carroll described the Seahawks as being "totally connected" to the top quarterbacks in the draft, via Bob Condotta of The Seattle Times. “We’re totally connected to the quarterbacks that are coming out. This is a really huge opportunity for us. It’s a rare opportunity—we’ve been drafting in the low 20s for such a long time you just don’t get the chance with some of these guys. So we’re deeply involved with all that,” said Carroll. I'd say Seattle might be a wildcard in this draft also. Geno is a one-year wonder at this point and they could be looking to their potential future franchise QB as well.

That's not calling him a good QB. That's calling him poo. You're talking out of both sides of your mouth. He's led the league in comebacks and game winning drives for 8 years. That's an elite stat. Has he only been to the playoffs once because he didn't get it done as a QB, or could it be because the defense or coaches repeatedly failed him? Cam only went to the playoffs 3 times in his career and never had back to back winning seasons as a QB. Does that make him just a good QB? Situation matters when you're talking about QBs. I'm not calling Carr elite. He has some elite traits. Whether those traits are desired here remains to be seen. I want to build through the draft. But I also have to be open to the fact that we may not be able to get the QB we want in the draft or FA and may have to take a different approach.

Entering the season last year, he also led the league in 4th quarter comebacks and game winning drives since 2015. That's not a defense of Carr, just proof that he can get it done when his number is called. I'm not saying I want Carr. Football is a team sport and the Raiders have had some terrible defenses and coaches. Give the man credit where it's due.

Bringing Darnold back may just be to use him as a backup QB only. That's not a terrible way to bring him back though there are better options. It all depends on who gets paid what to go where. We're going to need a vet QB on the roster at some point. We can't go into the season with a rookie QB from the draft and Corral.

Call me crazy, but my personal opinion is to go from 9 to 1 will take 3 1sts, (2) 2nds this year, and 2 future 3rds.

Yeah. I suggested Burns and 9 a month ago, but that all depends on their valuation on Burns and his contract, and whether or not they consider him to be an elite edge guy, not just a pash rusher.

They can ignore it and get the player that they want and pick up an additional 1st and a couple other picks if they choose. If Anderson or Carter is "their guy", then they will only move as far as they can to guarantee they still get one or the other. Sure they don't add a 25' 1st, but they get the player they wanted and some.

Maybe, maybe not. They could take 2 1sts from Indy to move down to 4 and still get the guy they had targeted all along. Either way at 4 they'd get Anderson or Carter.

The bandaids were all under Rhule and you have to be able to get your guy. If Chicago plays it the way I suggested, Stroud and Young are gone. If Indy offers more for 1, both are gone. At that point, are we as confident in Levis or AR as a fit or being able to develop properly to pay 2 or3 1sts to move up to 3? I don't disagree with taking a shot as long as it's the right one. Rhule was all about the bandaids. Different coach, different rules now.

What's your plan if you can't get the top 2 qbs or LJ?

Dan isn't saying anything anyone with half a football brain doesn't already know. We need to get the right QB of those that are available, if we choose to go QB in the draft. Whether or not we will be able to remains to be seen. So much depends on what Chicago will do and if they will try to maximize that pick and still get my guy. If I was Chicago, I'd be trying to sell 1 to Houston and 2 to Indy pitting them against Carolina. They end up at 4, still get a bunch of extra picks, and get either Anderson or Carter at 4. That would be a massive win for them, IMO.

I remember a bunch of talk about how Leaf could end up being better but no one I remember listening to or talking to ever took it seriously. It all seemed like a bunch of hype trying to get Indy to pick someone other than Payton. Payton was always considered a sure fire lock, it was just was Leaf going to be the better of the two "locks." This is quite a while back of course, but that's what I remember anyway.

and P. Manning.

No doubt. So did I. Some guys rise to the moment, some stay the same, and some crumble. I think we've seen enough of the Baker and Darnold types.

I don't think the majority of us are scared to move. The point many of us are making is, if we do make a move, make it because we've evaluated the player thoroughly and decided he's the best fit for our offense. No jumping for the mega hype underwear olympics high flyer just because they're the sexy pick. FYI, the last 4 times next years first was traded away was Mahomes (17), Watson(17), Goff(16) and Wentz(16). Of the 4, I would say that Mahomes is the only completely successful more. Wentz was leading Philly to the SB when he got injured so that's kind of a partially successful given the rest of his work. Watson got himself traded away for being handsy, and Goff is well, Goff. The only other time before that I could find was RG3. I wouldn't say trading away an extra 1st is necessarily the blueprint, though it has been done with some success and some failure.

It's playing the game the NFL put in play, but not really one I'd want to admit to playing. I'd want everyone on my staff knowing their abilities are why they're in the building.

I know. I'm just hoping some other football discussions can come from it. Like turning our 1st into another 1 and a couple more 2s and what we could do with those resources. We could fill a lot of gaps by not being desperate. The Darnold trade shows how bad you get screwed when you're desperate.

The one thing that did impress me is he didn't wilt in the big moment. While he may not have always been a success, he didn't play with fear. That's something we haven't seen since Cam when he was healthy.

My plan is to let the guys in charge do a proper evaluation of all players, even the ones I'm not particularly fond of, and choose the best move to make for the franchise. But there's a laundry list of questions to be answered regarding the available QBs. For those in the draft, they have to be evaluated and their overall potential ranked. I don't see a franchise maker such as Burrow, Lawrence, Mahomes, Allen sitting there at 1. If they were, Chicago wouldn't be willing to trade out. That changes how I proceed from there. I add Minshew as a FA QB. We need a vet QB if we don't go after one of the top 3 available. Having him allows some freedom in the draft and you don't have to act out of desperation. Stroud/Young are likely going 1/2. Unless we're willing to pay a small fortune, we aren't getting either. I see Indy possibly moving up to 1 or Houston. Chicago could end up trading down twice, end up at 4 and still get Carter or Anderson which would be ideal for them. Someone is going to fall, Levis or AR, but how far. I'd sit at 9 because the Raiders or Atlanta could take one if they don't end up with LJ or AR. I think one does. That leaves us with choice of the 4th QB, or in position to trade back if we have a partner. Personally, I'd like to trade back into the teens or early 20s, pick up a couple extra 2s, grab Mayer or Battle in the 1st, and go into the 2nd with 4 picks. In the 2nd, I'd like to add Sewell with the 1st pick, Ika with the 2nd, Nolan Smith 3rd (don't know if he lasts that long), and then Hooker with the 4th. I like him as a prospect and while he does need development, he also has shown he doesn't wilt in the moment which I really like. That should give us a chance to evaluate Corral and Hooker both. Minshew isn't as bad as he's made out to be. Again, all this is dependent on where AR, LJ, and DC end up and how evaluations go. All of this is speculation and could change tomorrow. I trust the braintrust we have in the coaches' offices right now. There's over a century of experience in those rooms. Getting the right fit at QB is more important than necessarily getting the draft or FA darling.

I can't imagine getting pancaked by a couple 330 lb linemen at that size. Seems like rib injuries would likely be in his future.