SmokinwithWilly

Just listing the trades in their entirety.

3 1sts, a 2nd, DT Mazi Smith and Adonai Mitchell for Williams and Garner.

Plenty of guys do enough to win on Sunday. That doesn't make them franchise QBs. Brissett beat Dallas last night. Think Arizona is ready to crown him king? What did Young do Sunday that you wouldn't expect from any other QB in the NFL on any given Sunday? I'm not scared of him succeeding. I want him to succeed. Succeeding is the best thing for this team. But I didnt see one thing on Sunday that made me think that guy is a franchise QB. 8 games into year 3 and I'm still waiting to be able to say that. Bryce did what was asked of him which was not much and nearly nothing compared to other QBs in the league. At some point, he's going to have to be able to carry a team from start to finish with no running game and beat a team when there's actually something on the line, not when we're already eliminated. You cannot give him franchise QB money when he hasn't had a single franchise QB game performance.

Audoni Mitchell also sent to the Jets as part of the Sauce deal

Jakobi Meyers to the Jags for a 4th and a 6th.

It's why I was so pissed about Dalton this offseason. We needed to pivot and move into a better position. Whether it be a Jones, Brissett, Howell, Winston or another option, we could have positioned better with a 2 year contract with any of those guys. Brissett or Howell 1st, I dont think Jones would have taken a backup no shot at starter role, and Jameis is what he is, but still better than Dalton. Either way, If Bryce didn't work out, there's someone to play next year and we're not forced into a bad FA trade or pickup or even worse, another trade up for a rookie QB. Just some thought put into the QB room with a little future strategy in mind. Also, on the chance Bryce does work out, and gets injured, you have a better backup to carry on any playoff aspirations. Win-win scenario. From what we've seen so far, I dont see how we can offer an extension or the 5th year, and I can't see Bryce willingly playing his 4th with no guarantees moving forward. He's been backup quality and you can't pay 18m AAV for that level of play. It's not a bash fest on Bryce. This is where we are now with 8 games remaining in a pivotal contract determination year. JMO, but this was poor planning by the FO, most likely driven by Tepper himself. Again, not Bryce's fault for the overall QB room situation, just where we happen to find ourselves.

I’m sure they know it. I’m also fairly certain Tepper told them he doesn’t give a poo.

I kept waiting for him to explode into a cloud of dust when he got hit.

They probably would have if DC had used his brain and been less worried about offending Chuba. Rico was ripping off runs at 8 yards a pop. Use him to wear that rested defense down, then use Dalton. But instead it was Chuba for 2 over and over. It wasn’t difficult to do, DC just refused to use some common sense.

That contract is a dawg

By that same measure though, Cam was slightly above average. 69-63-1 with Carolina. It’s a team game and I don’t think anyone who watched the entire game can say with sincerity that Bryce’s play through the entire game carried us to a win. What he did was nothing more than you’d expect from any NFL QB not named Andy Dalton.

It’s Jacksonville.

And the problem with Bryce is the same as Lawrence. You can’t pay him to be your franchise QB when he isn’t that guy. We all laughed when they gave TLaw that 2nd contract, and we’re going to cry when we do it for Bryce. Jacoby Brissett did what Bryce did to the Cowboys as a backup for 6m a year. We have spent a fortune on Bryce, giving him an offensive line, drafting WRs annd Ties, overpaying a RB 2nd contract. What we’re doing is not sustainable for a QB with this level of production that needs this much help to be one of the worst in the league, and in some categories, worse than the backups. Relying on Rico to carry this team week in and week out is not a game plan. Calling under 100 yards of passing offense in the pass friendly NFL is a red flag the size of the Goodyear blimp. There are dozens of QBs that can do what Bryce does for less than what he’s going to cost to extend. He’s a JAG game manager and if he was on any other team we’d be counting our lucky stars to face him that week. The only reason he’s still starting is we kept a backup we knew was worse than Bryce because he was no threat to the starting job. 2 minutes left on the clock, 80 yards to go, needing a touchdown, we don’t have a QB on this team I want stepping on the field.

Nowhere in the league is a winning formula for the RB and the QB to have matching yardage rushing vs passing. Have you ever heard of multiple 2k yard rushers across the league? How about a 3k, 4k, or 5k yard rusher? Nope? Because they don't exist. Running Rico into the ground is not an effective offensive game plan for the rest of the season. Relying on a running back to carry your team instead of your QB is not long term winning strategy.

Burrow or Bryce? Seriously? 32 out of 32 NFL coaches are taking Burrow. Remember we paid 100m to put Bryce behind a good offensive line. Just because Cincy isn’t managed well doesn’t mean anyone in their right mind is taking Bryce and his 3 years of mediocrity over Burrow’s elite level ability.

If I had to answer right now who do I trust to lead us down the field with 2 minutes left needing 6, Bryce or Rico, the answer is Rico. To me, Bryce isn't that guy and that's a problem. That's why I think we're a QB away from competing. I don't get the same feeling seeing Bryce trot onto the field that I did when it was Jake or Cam.

Ikem Ekwonu: Sold - Question is, how much is he going to cost and how are we going to pay everyone. Bad idea to pay Moton this past off season with Icky's contract on the horizon and 2 huge guard contracts and Bryce's 5th year option needing to be decided. Tetairoa McMillan: Sold WR1. Easy peasy Xavier Legette: Not sold Some days his head is in the game, some not. Not the guy you trade up to get in the 1st with better WRs on the table. Bryce Young: maybe as a backup, but only if I'm desperate Maybe as a backup, but not where he wants to be and certainly not for 5th year money. He'd need to take a serious pay cut and I can't see that happening. He'd be at the bottom of my options RBs Don't pay big contracts to RBs Nic Scourton: Getting more sold Like what I've seen of him so far and hope he continues to develop Derrick Brown: See McMillan, Tetairoa Jaycee Horn: See Brown, Derrick Tre'von Moehrig: See Horn, Jaycee 2025 Draft Class: Sold so far Liking it so far, but really hard to tell if these guys would be starters on a good NFL team, or if they are because the Panthers have been ass for so long. Dave Canales: Not sold at all Not sold at all. Leadership council to determine if Rico needs to play. Give me a fugging break. You don't bench the guy averaging 8YPC. His offense is generic, anemic and lacks big play ability. If Bryce or Andy can't do that, then tell your GM you need another QB. Had the opportunity this off season and didn't do it. Ejiro Evero: Trying hard not to be sold It's been surprising but not a fan of playing 10 yards off when it's 4th and 3. Hard to be extremely critical when everything has been mortgaged to surround our franchise game manager JAG. Dan Morgan: Not even close to sold Good draft this year and that's about all I've got to say positive. The QB room is a disaster. Last year's draft, fugging horrendous. Dumping an insane amount of resources to surround a bottom of the barrel QB to be a game manager and then everyone bitches because our defense has no players. We are in a poo situation this offseason with our offense. Decision on Bryce's 5th year with yet another forgettable season, an overpaid offensive line that needs a true center and to sign our now expensive franchise LT, a backup QB that should have been put out to pasture 2 years ago, a less than ideal 2026 QB class, a bleh FA QB market, and several teams with QB needs. David Tepper: Please sell He's still involved as evidenced by him openly stating he walks through the building making his opinion widely known and Dalton being kept and keeping Bryce competition free and his job 100% safe.

Sorry, but the handling of the QB room this offseason was unforgivable. Dalton was pure ass last season. Anyone with any football IQ could see he was done. So signing him to a 2 year deal this offseason was insanity. Bryce was protected this year. What was done wasn't done in the best interest of the team. Now we're staring down the barrel of a 5th year option with a 3rd year QB that would already have been cut if he wasn't a 1st overall pick. We had options that could have been made. Morgan chose not to make them. Whether that was Tepper interfering, which is highly possible, or his genuine belief Bryce is the guy. Bringing back Plummer made no sense whatsoever, and showed a complete lack of interest or desire to do anything to improve the room. We can't even really judge DC, because neither Bryce or Dalton can run his style offense so there's no way to fairly judge if it's Bryce, DC, a combination, the supporting cast, etc. It's been a clusterfug. And we're winning games on the back of an implosion by Penix, a defense that's been much better than expected, and a 1 year RB playing out of his mind. This isn't sustainable long term. This was a good draft and we've got some pieces. But we also bungled the draft last year, signed 2 overpriced guards, extended Moton for 2 years unnecessarily at that point, especially when we need to sign Icky. This year's draft and FA doesn't make up for the comedy of errors IMO as a GM. We've dumped everything into surrounding Bryce and the results have been it's best to take the game out of his hands and put it in Rico's and the defense. 5 1st rounders, 2 2nds, 100m offensive line, top 10 RB contract for a QB and our offense struggles unless our fa RB who's playing for a contract is touching the ball. That's not success to me, it's epic failure because he knew it, ignored it, and now we're in an even worse spot because of it.

I can't think of another QB that's had to add 20 lbs to try and disguise their playing weight just for the combine. However the original point was that Bryce had nothing to do with where he was drafted. As you yourself pointed out, players do things like this all the time to affect where they are drafted. I was really just pointing out that it's not like he had zero input in the process.

He didnt fool me. I never bought into any of it. The fact that he put on 20 lbs to try and intentionally deceive something so trivial would have immediately removed him from my draft board. I always thought Bryce was a late day 2or day 3 pick at best.

Bryce measured in at 5'10.25" and 204 lbs at the combine. So the answer is yes. He fooled people.

Then if they aren't fooled, why do it? Because some of them undoubtedly could be. And ultimately, the person(s) making the decision was. He fooled Dave Tepper.

Actually, I dont ever recall another QB packing on 20 lbs of water weight to try and hide their actual playing weight because they knew their real playing weight could potentially hurt their chance of being drafted 1st overall. And Stroud actually said he didnt care about test results, watch him play football. We cared about a test and Bryce had the worst rookie season in NFL history. Stroud went to the playoffs.

Anyone ever solves the tush push and the Eagles are done. Or if the refs ever call a false start.

Not completely. Bryce heavily participated in the draft process. From packing on extra weight and hiding it under baggy clothes, to repeated practicing for the S2 test that miraculously is hyped beyond all recognition then never heard about again, while Stroud was trashed as an imbecile, and when his physical limitations were being called into question, he chose not to participate in combine drills. You could say it's not his fault where he was drafted, but I would disagree. I would say he certainly participated in getting himself drafted 1st overall and a larger guaranteed payday.