SmokinwithWilly

We had a solution. We repeated it over and over again and were called haters while the re-signing of Dalton was praised as one of the greatest offseason moves Morgan could have made. And exactly what we said would happen did happen and Dalton poo the bed, Bryce hasn't proved he can play a full season of starter, much less franchise QB level football during a contract extension year. He's the QB of record for our last 4 wins, but those last 4 wins are attainable with just about any JAG QB and are what we should expect from any starting qb. There's an answer, but now we have bigger issues to deal with because a huge amount of cap space is involved and that has to be navigated as well.

No matter what, Dalton has to go.

That's why I've been pretty adamant that my issue isn't with Bryce and his performance as much as it's been with the FO and the way the whole QB room has been handled. From the Frank hire, to DC and DM being hired and required to have BY as QB1, Dalton's 2nd contract after an abysmal performance last year, no attempt to upgrade even the 3rd qb spot. None of it makes any sense unless Tepper is heavily involved in the BY situation from roster to contract. And Tepper has already shown he does not have the best of instincts where QB performance and contracts are involved.

What really scares me is staring down the barrel of a 5 year 200 - 220m contract extension at the end of this season based on what we've seen so far in 2 1/2 seasons worth of play. I still haven't seen Bryce winning games the way Cam or Jake used to do. Is he the QB when we win some games. Yeah. But if I look at those games, I don't ever say that guy right there is the reason we're winning football games. Not the way it was with Cam or Jake. I'm not saying he isnt going to be more than what is right now, and if it was year 1 or 2, i probably wouldnt care. But with 8 games left and that contract extension/5th year looming, who knows what's going to happen. Tepper is the ultimate wildcard in all of this and he doesn't scare me, he terrifies me.

Would explain why he kept tripping over himself.

You can absolutely win that way. The caveat being, where do you invest your resources? Do you spend heavily on an offensive line and skill positions and less on a game manager QB, or spend heavily on a QB, less on a line and skill positions and rely more on the QB? You can't really do both with the cap unless you get a QB on a rookie cap that's MVP like. We just need to pick a direction. Right now we have 2 elite tackle contracts including Icky, 2 elite guards, a top 15 RB contract and a possible top 5 QB contract on the horizon if Tepper decides to go that route. There's only so much cap space to go around. Something is going to have to give.

Oline love run blocking. Icky particularly thrives at it. Like seeing that.

Who cares what fantasy football stats are. The offenses looked completely different with Chuba vs Rico. Call it an unwritten rule, but putting your team in a better position to win during the game isn't breaking some unwritten rule, it's doing what's best for the team. And there are plenty of instances across the league where a player has gotten injured and lost his starting job. Probably one of the most notable, Bledsoe getting injured and losing his to a 6th round draft pick that happened to end up being the GOAT. If your ultimate goal is to build a winner, then that's the expectation that needs to be set. What's best for the team to be successful, personal feelings aside.

Sorry, but if I had to choose between Cam Jake and Bryce to lead a game winning drive, it's Cam, Jake, then Bryce in that order.

I'm probably one of those posters, but I make those posts because there are too many things going on that don't make sense. For instance, how does a RB that does something that hasn't been done in 14 years immediately get reverted back to 2nd string, and it takes a leadership council to make him the starter when he's averaging 3x the YPC? Your average fan shouldn't be screaming that for 2 weeks before the coach sees it. And that's one of many. What you're seeing is frustration that we could be better, that we should be better, if our owner, FO, and coaches could do things that are so painfully obvious to even the most basic fan

He wont play on the 5th year either. Its going to be a 200m contract or nothing. Are you paying 200m based on what we've seen so far?

We need to start asking him to pass the ball though. In 8 games we have to decide to extend, cut or 5th year option which will still end up in an extension. Can't make that decision if he's not being asked to do the caliber of things that 40m AAV QBs do.

Right. Im just pointing out game plan makes a difference. Using Rico and his 6 YPC gave us better down/yards to go than Chuba was. Easier to pick up 4 in 2 downs than 6 on 3rd. Longer sustained offensive drives, longer breathers, more time to compose and analyze what opposing offense is doing, etc. Makes a DCs life easier. I give Evero his props, he's bounced back. My biggest frustration was his lack of willingness to adapt when things weren't working. He seems to be doing that more now. Though I wanted to reach through the TV when I saw DBs 10 yards off on 4th down.

Right here. But part of his success is what I said from the beginning. You cant expect the D to hold up when the offense can't stay on the field. All of a sudden we're doing what our offensive line is built to do, using a RB with burst and vision, and our defense is staying fresh and it shows. Conversely, vs Buffalo. We didnt use our best back, our offense looked like poo, our defense was gashed then gassed, and got run over all game. Pretty damned predictable.

Any team coached by Bill Bellichek Any team reffed by a Hochuli. Cowboys Any NFCS rival.

He's not playing on his 4th year so we're either going to have to extend him or pick up his 5th year. If we pick up his 5th year, that 18m AAV for what's realistically backup level play. If we do an extension, I'd expect his agent to want in the 35-40m AAV range on a 4-5 year deal with 80% guaranteed and about 50-60% as a signing bonus. Can't do that either based on current level of play. Puts us in a pickle. Can't extend him, and do you pick up the 5th year knowing you have to bring in a legit 2nd QB to compete for the starting role, who we also have to pay decent money to and eat Dalton's dead cap, plus pay Icky franchise LT money. It's all a mess.

All I could think of with him on our PS.

He was definitely on an all star team. Look at Bama and Georgia's recruiting classes vs the rest of the SEC. In just Bryce's class, Bama and Georgia had 10 selections each of the 63 NFL draft picks. That's 1/3 of the draft class between 2 of 16 schools in the SEC and that's 1 recruiting class of 4. They have had the number 1 recruiting class 8 of the last 10 years and been #2 the other 2. You can't even pretend like Alabama is even remotely close in talent to the other SEC schools other than maybe Georgia. It's a landslide in their favor. Correction: in 2018 they had the 5th overall. Other than that, since 2014, it's been 1st and 2nd overall.

My guess. Brock Purdy and the S2 test. Mr Irrelevant Purdy had a breakout year and his S2 score was high and so was Bryce's and that test was supposed to be the end all, be all of QB tests where the Wonderlic was so unreliable. Remember, Stroud's results were leaked and he was being portrayed as an imbecile before the draft based on the scores. After their rookie season's when Bryce had one of the worst statistical performances ever and Stroud went to the playoffs, the S2 pretty much disappeared into oblivion as a determining standard of QB viability.

Can we trade Dalton to the Jets for Wison? Guaranteed number 1, 2 and 3 with that level of QB suckage.

And are pretty much guaranteeing themselves the number 1 overall in the process. No need to trade up for a QB.

This is how you tank a season

Smartest thing the Jets could do right now is hire Marty fugging Hurney