SmokinwithWilly

I prefer to think of him in this situation as a franchise self destruct button.

At least we know he wont have to coach Teddys short game.

So is Indy officially in the QB hunt as well? One more team in need of a QB because Brissett obviously isnt it.

Even if we dont add Watson or Stafford, a QB coach who's actually coached some pretty good passing QBs is ok by me.

I hear John Riggins is a free agent.

Chuck's real name is Sybil.

This is the best poo sandwich I've ever eaten said absolutely nobody. When all your options are turds you cant really argue about which one tastes best.

Starts and takes the first snap, hands off CMC, TD. Next series, different QB and away we go.

I dont think they would want CMC. If they wanted a trade and players were involved, I would see them wanting Burns or Moore. They already have a high priced RB. People are speculating CMC because he's one of the best RBs in the NFL and he would probably be needed to make a trade of this magnitude work. I think they would want Burns, 2 1sts and 2nds. I dont see us making this move, but if we did, it wouldn't surprise if CMC had to be involved to make it work.

I'm not talking about him wanting to come here or the current state of our o-line etc. I'm talking about the career positional value of Watson vs CMC. Both are upper end of their respective positions, but the QB position is by far more valuable than the RB position. IF I was forced to choose between having Watson OR CMC, I would choose Watson based solely on the likelihood his career would be longer and the value of a franchise QB exceeds that of a franchise RB.

Chuck 14.0???

Nobody is taking away from CMC. But what's easier to get, a franchise QB like Watson or a amazing RB like CMC. CMCs career likely declines at 30, Watson could play mid 30s. What Watson could bring to the franchise over his career is more than CMC. It's no hate for CMC and I think he's an amazing talent, it's just the truth of the positions.

It's not exactly incorrect. Rhule was considered to be a pretty talented college coach.

Totally agree about Mills. Sometimes what a player brings to a team isnt just about stats. Sam has always been the heart of every team he's been a part of. He raised the level of others around him and that, IMO, is HoF worthy.

Correction. Regrade 2019 1st round. No one can look at the 2019 draft as a whole and think we did well. Special thanks to Dan Snyder for forcing the Haskins pick(Sweat went at 23) or Little would have been our first rounder.

I'm honestly surprised he signed that contract with BoB in place. That guy was a train wreck headed I to a pile of dynamite.

And Dan Snyder as the new Executive Producer.

Because that was Bill O'Brien. That level of stupidity was expected, but still not believable. A new GM wouldn't be able to get away with the same.

I dont give a flying crap whether Hurney had anything to do with TB or not. He proved long ago he has no business as GM of a pop Warner team. He's not Bill O'Brian but they must have called each other for advice. How anyone defends him as a GM after having a success % worse than a weatherman is baffling.

High quality but that price...

Saints on there. Loomis is a magician but damn.

Contract terms and bringing in a guy are 2 different things. Rhule likely has little if anything to do with the terms of a contract, not his job. He could have expected him at 3 yr/45mil with 20 guaranteed instead of 3yr/63m with 33 guaranteed structured the way it was. That's where Hurneys job of determining if a player is worth the contract comes into play. This is one of his weakest areas as GM, as history has shown us. He drastically overpays for mediocre talent. He could come back to Rhule and say for what TB wants, he wont bring that amount of value. Instead I can bring in X number of players instead. That doesn't feel like a Hurney decision with his future on the line. He needed a homerun to save his job. TB was the pitch. And Hurney struck out.

What also plays I to this is the strength of next years QB class, which, if you listen to the "experts", is not strong. So if a team has the potential need for a reset at the QB position, this is the year to do it. There are 12-15 teams that have that potential. TL to the Jags. Done. Jets may or may not take Fields/Wilson. Miami - not sold on Tua but likely not taking a QB. 1st potential trade partner for a QB needy team. Atl - makes perfect sense to draft a QB. Sit under Ryan(36) and develop, jettison that co tract after next year and rebuild it all. Cincy - No QB unless Burrow suffers a major setback. Trade partner #2. Philly - doubtful, but with lots of holes could easily move to try to grab more picks Det - Stafford will be expensive and they need a lot to compete. Could very easily accept the inevitable and just start over. Car - we need one too. That's 5/6 teams in front of us that could go QB. Not likely but could. And behind us sits WFT, Dallas, NE, Denver, SF, NO, TB, Chicago, Colts, Vikings and Giants, all of whom could have reason to try and draft a franchise QB. Theres a lot of need and were talking about 4 top guys. Wilson may fall, he may not. But to pretend like there arent a lot of teams looking at this QB crop and salivating is wishful thinking.

That's not even remotely what he said. You are seeing what you want to see. All he is saying is Hurney was the loudest voice in the room for TB, not that he was the only voice. I will say it does look like a typical Hurney homerun swing. GM on the last year of his contract, likely not to get an extension or another job offer unless he pulls off something miraculous. Enter TB. A previous starting NFL QB that had the potential for a big performance. If this team exceeds expectations and finishes 8-8 or 9-7, Marty might get another 3-4 years and he looks like a genius. If it fails he's out of a job and likely unemployed. Same outcome. Only one had a chance to save his job.

It's going to be very strange watching the train wreck from the outside this time.