SmokinwithWilly

This loss rests squarely on DM and DC. DM for thinking Dalton was any level of competent backup quality and not actually pursuing a real backup that might actually be able to win a game or be competitive in one. and DC for being the most stubborn ass coach possible and not using the running back averaging 8 YPC and instead feeding the one averaging 2.5 YPC to the detriment of the entire team and offense. McDermott didn’t seem to have a problem letting his best player feast on our defense. It didn’t have to be this way. We could have been in the game but we never had a chance before we even stepped on the field. I'm sure some people will say Huddlers are stupid and don't know better than the professionals. I beg to fugging differ.

Anyone kidding themselves about who is really running this team needs to wake up. Tepper is making the decisions. Dalton was brought back because he was no threat to Bryce and Tepper is protecting that decision at all costs.

Seriously? If you couldn't look at Dalton last year and realize his time was over you dont need to be a GM. Improving the team is literally his job.

Right. So what do you do. Use the guy with the hot hand to gash their defense, keep ours off the field, and make our QB do as little as possible since he's playing like ass. Lean into what you're doing well, don't run away from it.

Yeah, it's our fault a 3 year old playing Mafden could call a better game than DC at this point.

No he's the one insisting on playing a RB averaging 2 YPC instead of one getting 7 YPC.

Rhule was better than this. Fat fug Matt fuggin Rhule.

Feelings.

Still standing by my original opinion on this one.

Why? I didnt want Dalton either. He sucked ass last year. The only person that wanted him here is Tepper.

Welcome to the club brother. There's plenty of whiskey and beer here.

Daddy Tepper thinks Bryce is the next Tom Brady and won't let anything or anyone challenge that vision no matter how much it hurts this team. He'd rather pay 8m for Dalton to suck than someone else to show any potential at all.

Split carries between the guy getting 8 YPC and the guy getting 2 YPC. Why?

No. A lot of us said Andy sucked and was only kept to keep Bryce feeling safe.

This is why I personally believe Tepper is still heavily influential in the direction of the organization. Bryce is being shielded and it's obvious and you only do that for one reason, to protect someone's ego, and I'm pretty sure it's not Bryce's.

The day we signed him to another 2 year deal I said I was a huge mistake and I hated the move. He looked washed after the Raiders game. I don't get why improvement in the QB room is such a bad thing.

That was an impressive level of QB implosion that happens once, maybe twice every couple of seasons. There's bad luck, quicksand, or a swan dive into the vat of whatever fugduggery he found that morning.

Different reason tho. DC's offense runs best with a gunslinger. It's to judge his offense and capabilities and to allow our players to work under a QB that can run that offense. It can tell us if it's the pieces surrounding Bryce, Bryce, DC, a combo, none of the above. It could answer questions we need answers to

Even if we don't, if Dalton mimics last year's performance, we need to look for better, though it will cost us to cut him.

If it's even remotely true it's one hell of a tell. He immediately starts to roll out or scramble, stay honest. Standard drop back, no deep ball, red zone D.

The point i was trying to make wasnt can he complete it or not. It was are we even trying it as a set play from the pocket or are they coming only on roll outs or scrambles. So, for instance, if the defense is in coverage and sees Bryce is in the pocket, based on my illustrative stats, there is a 99.6% probability that there's no pass being thrown beyond 20 yards. So you play the 20 yards in front of you and if you get burned, you get burned. It's a huge advantage because you know as long as he's there, that play isn't coming. Again, this is a purely fictional statistic and situation, but the point is pretty valid I think when it comes to defenses playing against us whether it's Bryce or Dalton or whoever.

I wonder how many of Bryce's deep balls, let's say those 30 air yards or more, come from inside the pocket vs when he's scrambling. That would probably tell a whole lot about game planning. My hunch is most are scrambling, because holding those passing lanes open is hard and he already has trouble seeing the field over taller linemen. I suspect we probably don't have as many designed deep ball plays simply because we can't run them effectively due to the simple nature of pocket mechanics and maintaining field vision. Again, just my hunch.

Jones was brought in to compete with AR but Steichen was allowed to be real and say AR isnt ready and may never be. It's not a bad thing to acknowledge the reality a lot of these high QB draft picks don't make it as NFL franchise QBs. It's not a knock on Bryce, Stroud or AR. It's just the NFL. Ive been insistent we needed more than Dalton. Other than the Raiders game, he was horrible. Plummer. Why bother. It's like we put the minimal amount of effort to a position that's actually pretty damned significant. Hell, look at Nick Foles. Backup QB wins the damn SB. Also, how many times have we seen a backup come in and never relinquish the job. Brady was Bledsoe's backup, and an injury launched a career that led to 7 SB rings. There were guys available that were better than Dalton. We could and should have done more for the betterment of the team. If we had brought in Howell instead of Dalton, and Bryce played like he has until now, then Howell went in and started lighting it up, we would be able to say with certainty that the problems are Bryce problems because this guy can do it but Bryce can't. Dalton has already shown us he's not really capable of a lot. Maybe he surprises us, but I don't have high hopes of HQ QB play. I don't care who the QB is. Bryce, AR, Jameis, some off world clone of Cam we found in a time capsule next to JR'S pool. Just be real and honest in all QB evaluations and may the best QB win the job. Do what's best for the Panthers, not just any one player.

Because to address it you have to address that he's been shielded from real competition at the backup position, especially this off season. There are things that just don't make sense unless someone named Tave Depper is peddling some influence, and if he's doing it here, he's more than willing to do it other places as well if he's unhappy with some of the things being said about him, especially by an iconic former Panther.

The trade offer was for a prime Khalil Mack player. That's never been Burns. Burns production was on par with Reddick. 3 year 45m was the contract Reddick signed. Burns could have gotten a little more, but 5 year 141 is ridiculous in comparison of production at that stage of their career. Burns is playing well in year 8. Yay. Finally. Pass rusher that still can't play the run. Same thing everyone said then, including me. Fitterer should have been fired immediately for not taking the trade. Burns didn't shut down the Broncos from scoring 33 in the 4th quarter. 33 GD points. That's not an elite take over the game when it matters player. I'm still not wrong. And you're still an idiot.