SmokinwithWilly

Do you see us keeping Horn? He's going to want that big contract and I don't know that you can give it to him given his injury history. Plus, depending on how we finish the season, he may not want to stay like Luvu. There's something to be said for being with a competitor. I think these last few games are really going to steer where we go in the draft.

He hasn't played a single snap in the NFL yet. Lots of prospects don't work out in the NFL for a variety of reasons. I've never said he's not good. I've never said he's not elite. I've said I don't know how well he will translate to the NFL for any number of reasons. You're giving him his statue and jacket already. I'm saying let him play the game before you pronounce him the next god of the NFL.

Oh I get what you're saying and completely agree. I just don't think it would long to prove how playing both ways just isn't feasible, even in a single game. He'd become a liability by the 4th quarter. Also, any larger receiver is just going to be able to body him off the ball. I think to play DB in the NFL he's going to need to put on at least 15-20 lbs.

It would take a few series of him playing both ways before an OC pulled a Julio Jones and ran a couple of decoy post routes before torching him on the 3rd because he was exhausted.

Ian Thomas will never be released!

I know people here gave him a lot of poo, but Bersin had hands. If it hit his hands, he caught it. Theilen is the only other receiver we've had since with hands like that. Everyone loves the 40 and route trees but I'd rather be lacking in those 2 and just have somebody that can actually catch the damn ball.

He didn't say he won't win it. He said he will win it because of his 2 way play. Once he goes to the NFL, his days of 2 way play are over with. At that point, the reason why he won the heisman will become irrelevant because he won't play both ways on the NFL field. He may be the best overall player in the draft, but it's not unanimous across scouts like you believe. Half of what he does in college he won't be doing in the NFL. If you don't think that's going to have an impact on how he's looked at, then you've got your head buried in the sand. He's a top NFL prospect. He may not be the top choice for every NFL team. I don't know why that's so hard to comprehend.

In hockey, it's still a plus 2.

Those brownies must have packed a little extra punch. I've been asleep a long time.

old school - Axis and Allies Rail Baron Risk Not sure how old - Tsuro I miss D&D. We created some epic campaigns and characters. It really helped develop my ability to think outside the box and problem solve.

I remember watching the Panthers games when Pep was on the team and thinking these guys aren't that much bigger than me, because I'm not a small guy myself. Then I went down onto the field for a game day field pass and felt like Muggsy. Those guys were massive. TV doesn't do the size of some of these guys justice sometimes.

Let's talk after an entire NFL season. We've still got a long way to go to naming Bryce the next franchise QB.

I don't give 2 shits about Colorado enough to like or dislike them. You don't get it. Just because a player is ranked somewhere on a super big brain big board doesn't mean that player will actually fit what an NFL team is looking for. Teams look at the player as a whole and will he fit what they want to do. Hunter may be the first player off the board. He may not. He's an elite level player but he's not the only one. Other teams may have different valuations because they want to build their team differently and instead of taking Hunter at one, they could trade back and get picks instead. It doesn't mean he isn't worth the 1st pick. It just means he's not worth the 1st pick to them. If it was as simple as looking at college, there would never be a bust because everything you need to know is right there. But there's always the intangibles. Trevor Lawrence was hands down the best player in his draft, generational player, the next HoF QB, couldn't miss prospect. Except is hasn't worked out that way. You're acting like he's already got his jacket and bust in Canton. We all agree he's an elite prospect. We don't all agree with him necessarily being the most desired player at DB or WR. There's too many other factors in play. That's the NFL and it happens every damn year that some top prospect slides because someone took a Mitch Trubisky instead of Pat Mahomes.

We can talk about production on the field, but as has already been shown by multiple people, production in college and especially a Heisman don't translate to guaranteed success. Moving to the NFL level is bigger picture. Team fit, injury history, size, speed, ability to learn a playbook, relying on talent vs technique, level of competition, everything matters. So yes, we can talk college statistics. But we must also talk about all the other factors and how other players may very well fit better or have less question marks surrounding certain factors.

Higgins is going to be 18-20m a year, maybe higher. The defense can't be primarily rookies. The jump from college to the pros is big and very few players make that transition in a single season. Plus, statistically, Morgan would have to have one of the greatest drafts in history to be able to plug that many holes by defying the %'s of round failure. We're not a WR away from winning it all. Higgins is a SB move for a team that's close. We're re better off building through the draft and paying good contracts for appropriate level talent. When we've made the playoffs, then we need to start pursuing bigger name free agents. We've got to have strong rookies on cheap contracts to go after big names and have it actually work in our favor.

That's a hard call to make but NE has lacked a true WR1 for so long. Tackle is such a tempting spot, but as we've seen they really take a couple years to get to NFL speed unless you get a Sewell or Slater, and then you're close to the end of that rookie QB contract.

This is where the drafting of Bryce comes into play. At some point he's going to have to elevate the players around him. We can't afford to keep stacking the offense in FA and ignore the defense. We've spent a lot on him already from having a very expensive oline, drafting a receiver in the 1st in XL, Brooks in th 2nd, paying Chuba, Mingo, trading away DJ, Sanders, were going to have to pay BC. That's a lot on the offensive side of the ball. Scoring points is great but if you can't stop anyone you're kind of screwed and we can't stop anyone at RB.

Being a GM seems to becoming more and more about how to build a team using the rookie contracts of the big paydays at QB, CB, WR and DE. Devoting 15-20% of cap space to a single player is crippling unless they're in the greatest of this generation conversation. Not many guys are but a whole lot want to be paid like they are ie Burns.

Yes he did. Just more proof that winning that trophy doesn't guarantee NFL success.

Chris Weinke won the Heisman too.

I don't hate Colorado. He may be the top prospect on a lot of boards, but that doesn't necessarily make him the best at a single position. Using Madden scores here for ease, so could be an overall 99, 97 as a WR and 96 as a CB and still be 2nd ranked at each position. He won't be used on the field playing both ways. He's going to be one or the other with possibly a play or 2 a game on the other side of the field. It's not a slight against him at all, just an observation of how it's going to work once he reaches the NFL level.

Cam also didn't play 2 positions. Little different comparison there.

Gotta wonder if there's something else in the water in Pittsburg.

Wouldn't 300 yards and 2 TDs passing be considered "lighting it up" vs. the Eagles? I take "lighting it up" to be an exceptional performance, not just NFL standard play. Don't you?

I'm a Michigan guy and I admit I haven't watched much of Johnson or Graham this year because Michigan has been so bad this year. Saturday was the biggest game of the season, but man it was that painful. Defense was fun to watch, but that offense. That was just a kick in the boys over and over again.