SmokinwithWilly

The only real exception to that for me is offensive linemen and agility drills. Sometimes it's really hard to get a feel for their footwork in the scrum of a game. Little is a great example.

It's pretty safe to say his mom doesn't have the connections to pick up the phone and talk to different people in the organizations to guage interest. Not hiring an agent is going to cost him far more than it saves him.

Because you don't get clicks that way

That's less than he already turned down

But according to SAS and the Lamar camp, he never asked for fully guaranteed. Can't have it both ways.

Not really. Just because the Browns made a bad deal doesn't mean the rest of the NFL has to do it. The price for Lamar is 2 1sts and a likely fully guaranteed salary. It's very possible that teams don't want to pay that price or go through the entire negotiation process just to have the Ravens match it and be done. It really could be that simple.

I get what you're saying, but trading picks to move up in the draft doesn't require room under the salary cap. If he's only willing to sign a contract that guarantees 45m per season out of 50, there has to be room under the cap to actually sign it. After he's signed, it can be reworked. That's the snag. It's getting under that can be problematic. Add in the Ravens can match whatever he agrees to and he can't cut a team friendly deal to go elsewhere, because he'd be bound to it when the Ravens matched. It's why we had to make so much cap room to make the trade offer for Watson. We had to actually have the means to perform to execute the trade offer.

If I had to guess, it's all part of taking his mom to school as his agent. They're driving the price down. Eventually he will have to hire a real agent, but by that point he'll have hurt his value. They'll come back to the table, but it will be for a lesser price. Pretty standard negotiating tactics I would think. I've done it several times in real estate deals.

It's not the same price. You can't ignore the 50m annual salary.

I think teams have legitimate interest in him, but the cumulative price tag in picks and salary are causing teams to look in other directions.

What's happening right now has a similar feel to the contracts right before the rookie contract went into place. I think teams are going to get to a point and say this is as much % of our cap as we're paying and that's it. Those rookie contracts used to cripple teams when they didn't work out and these mega contracts have that same feel.

All you really need to do is look at the Josh Norman situation before and after having a real agent to get the answer to that.

Sorry dude. Can't have a Cowboys fan in the house. Bad enough my wife's family is Broncos fans.

I'm pretty sure there's language in there that doesn't allow a player to sit out if his team matches the offer. That would be negotiating in bad faith. I would think the Ravens and NFLPA would be able to eat him alive for it.

I'm not Scot you dumbass.

Don't remember exactly, but didn't Cam want a guaranteed contract after his last shoulder injury? I seem to remember something about that and then letting him play out the one year remaining. I tried to find it but didn't have any luck.

Raiders couldn't afford to fire McDaniels so they probably don't have the money to pay his guarantee anyway.

Probably because they have the cap space to do it and Ridder.

He doesn't get it man.

Like I said, you don't get it.

But, but, bit I heard he never asked for a fully-guaranteed contract and the Ravens were big ol meanies.

Last time I will explain this because you do not understand it at all. Football is a team sport. Carr may not be better than Rodgers or Lamar, but his cost to acquire could end up being significantly less and the net gain by signing Carr and adding 2 or 3 big weapons could be greater than by simply signing Rodgers or Lamar. How much better would Joe Burrow be without Chase and Higgins? If the Bengals had traded assets for Burrow like either of these 2, especially Lamar, they wouldn't have had the picks to get either one. You've been bitching that the Ravens haven't surrounded Lamar with elite talent. It's hard to do that without cap space and draft picks like the situation would be here if we made a move for him. And Rodgers wants more money than LJ. Cap space can be manipulated to a point, but if you aren't ready to make a SB run today, Rodgers is a bad move. I liked Carr on a 2-3 year deal at about 30m per season. I wouldn't have been happy with the deal he got from NO. But, that would have let us keep our picks and load up on offensive talent that we desperately need, possibly take a QB in the 1st, but not act out of desperation. It also gives us salary cap room to keep guys like Burns, Chinn, Brown, DJ, Horn, Bozeman. But Carr was not my 1st choice. He did however, give us options. You have to be able to put other players on the field. It doesn't matter if you have the greatest QB in the history of football if your defense can't stop an opposing offense. All their defense needs to do is stop your offense a couple of times and you lose. KC kept Hurts off the field in the SB. He didn't have a chance to win it at the end because he was on the sidelines. There has to be some semblance of balance when building a team. If you want to go all in on Lamar or Rodgers, that's your prerogative. But you can't whine and complain we're not putting talent around them when you gave that ability away just to put them on the field. Personally, I think we need to build through the draft, but again, you have to measure and calculate what you're getting vs what you're giving up. Stroud could be the best QB in the draft, but if you take away your ability to build around him you're not doing yourself any favors either. I prefer logical, well thought out, strategic team building focusing on maximizing gain for the least amount of cost. I like having the ability to be flexible instead of being stuck all in and hoping for the best. Guys can get knocked out of this game and their careers in an instant. You have to have some room to work around it.

My comment has nothing to do with LJ. It has to do with Tepper getting his sights set on a QB, like he did with Watson, and being willing to do whatever it takes whether or not it's actually good for the team. And I wasn't excited about Carr. I'm excited about having football people who are actually qualified to judge QB talent.

God I hope not. That means he hasn't learned a damn thing and isn't going to let football guys make football decisions.

GB wants a franchise QB but is happy to let Rogers walk. Baltimore wants a franchise QB, but will trade LJ. It's not all about having a franchise QB. You have to have a team. These teams are willing to let them walk because they believe they can build a better team by doing so. That should give anyone pause to stop and ask why. Rogers needs a Davante Adams type receiver or he throws a temper tantrum. We don't have that. He hurt his team's chance to win in game because he was mad a rookie receiver dropped a pass. He's also on the downside of his career and is contemplating retirement. Those are big red flags. LJ hasn't finished the season the past 2 years, and if the report is true, hurt his team by holding himself out of playoff relevant games because of a contract dispute. Plus he didn't hire an agent, and now is using SAS as a mouthpiece because his mom isn't getting it done as his agent. He's making some very bad decisions IMO and his playing style and injury history doesn't make me want to drop 50m a year for 5 years fully or almost fully guaranteed. If we're going to get a franchise QB, get him in the draft and build from there. Don't take on someone else's problems.