SmokinwithWilly

No. I think you add elite players at the right time. The situation the Panthers are in currently makes what the Panthers would have to give up and pay for Jefferson a bad time to do it. Whether or not he's elite, the Panthers just traded for an elite level QB. We're not in a position to double down trading for an elite WR because we have so many holes all over the place. If this was a 11-6 or even 10-7 with some good talent on rookie contracts, I'd be all over it. We don't have those things. We are a 2-15 team and overspending on a trade for an elite WR isn't going to change that.

Because this is a move you make to take you over the top or even if you have a moderately decent QB. He's not going to come cheap and we're already strapped on picks from the BY trade. You can't build through the draft if you don't have the picks. So that means you're looking at UDFA rookies, guys that have been cut from other teams, or you have to be the greatest drafter in mid to late rounds ever. And we still have to pay Burns who thinks he's elite, Brown who is elite and Luvu who is above average. You're insistent that Bryce is a complete bust and we need another QB. Who's gonna throw the damn ball to JJ? Red Rocket for 3 games until he's hurt? Can't draft another high end QB because we don't have the picks to do it. Better hope you can land a Russell Wilson or Dak Prescott in the 3rd because we won't have a 1st or 2nd next year and possibly the year after. Rookie GM Rookie HC New offensive system Terrible owner following one of the worst seasons statistical seasons for a rookie QB ever who needs to be the unicorn of unicorns to be successful No 1st or 2nd draft picks likely for at least 2 years, maybe 3. 1 of your remaining 5 draft picks per year likely to actually contribute based on odds with a team built mainly from UDFA and guys no one else wants because your cash strapped with "elite" level contracts That's not how you build a successful franchise. That's how you end up 0-17 praying to start a rebuild in 3 years if you can find a coach who wants to come to the dumpster fire.

Why go spend the farm on JJ if you aren't contending? Who gives a poo if he has a 1500 yd 20 TD season and we net 4 wins? I don't. I care about one thing. Winning. Here's how you nullify JJ on the Panthers. Double him on every route and watch BY throw a feather ball pick 6 because the offensive line can't block for more than 2 seconds, no one else can get open, and Canales' offense had one of the worst running games in the NFL to take the pressure off. 35 million and next year's first for that. Well hell. Sign me up today. This team isn't a JJ away just like we weren't a BY away. Trade away next year's first for JJ and we can watch Minnesota draft their future QB at 1 because elite players can't win a game by themselves.

Honestly, he may be the easiest way to get the number 1 pick in 25'.

Teams need elite players. This is a 2 win team that has serious issues at the QB spot right now. We're not a JJ away from contending. We don't even know if this coach/gm combo can build a roster yet. Spending more assets in picks/players to plug a player into a system that we don't know will even work isn't a good idea. This teams has a lot of holes and a lot of not even a JAG players and we don't have a ton of draft capitol to work with. If we were on the precipice of being a serious contender, I'd say go for it. We're not there yet, and pulling in JJ right now isn't going to get us there by itself. Either we embrace the rebuild or we don't. Making a move like this is only going to make it harder to get this team out of the cellar.

I've had poops more exciting than that.

Tell the players you don't give a fug about their health without actually telling them.

I could be a coach in name only for a few paltry million dollars a year. Fire me halfway through the season. It's ok.

This is not a sarcastic question. Do we know if Dave and Nicole are making the trip to the combine this year?

I'm not sure the Panthers could have messed it up any worse if they had tried. It's like they decided on an entire draft of Eric Sheltons.

You can't play like you're afraid of being hurt in what is essentially a contract year. Other teams are watching and Hurney isn't here to pay based on potential instead of performance.

Maybe we get lucky and some GM gets really really drunk at the St. Patty's day party.

If we end up letting him walk for a 3rd round comp pick after being offered 2 1sts and a high 2nd for him last year, it will be the most Panthers thing ever.

Picking the right QB at 1 started with having the right guys in the FO and at the HC position and we got that so wrong it's pathetic. The worst part about it is our QB guru coach that got to pick his guy didn't even last a season. We pretty much followed every step of the don't do this rulebook.

90% is optimistic. What NFL QBs are shorter than Bryce? The last successful QB under 5’9” was 60 years ago.

Memories of the guy that lived on a billboard in the 90s until the Hornets won 2 in a row. 5 damn weeks.

One of the biggest issues with Burns trade value now is him openly stating he was playing with getting hurt in mind. So if another teams were to ink him and he has a contract issue, it's reasonable to expect that same level of dedication. How do you ink a guy to a massive contract knowing he may not give you everything. Luvu was in a contract year and played his ass off. I'll take that dawg any day if I have the choice of the 2.

Ehhh. If the offense wasn't going to bother to stay for the second half, or show up for the first half for that matter, why should fans?

Not really. The clear move was to trade up for Herbert, but instead we backed up the Brinks truck and hooked our future to THE Teddy 2 Gloves.

Our Bryce led offense averaged 13 points per game. Hope is not a solution. The best defense in the NFL in 2023 was Baltimore and they averaged 16.2 allowed. We have to be 4 points better than the best team in the NFL last year to stand a chance at winning a game with the current state of our offense. What good does it do to have the best defense in football if you can't score?

Serious question. How would you fix the offense and still sign Chris Jones and DB?

Football is a team sport. SF defense did not carry the offense to the playoffs. The offense had 2 MVP candidates and one of them ended up being the OPOY. The offense did more than it's fair share. Shanahan is a problem in the big games. He stops doing what got him the lead in the first place. I've said before, Wilks called a great game in the SB until the very end when they went into that prevent D and then in OT when Reid took him behind the woodshed. Wilks should probably get another shot at being a HC. What happened in AZ wasn't his fault entirely but it certainly carries a stigma. Then there's the number of jobs he's been in in a short period of time. Some guys make great coordinators and crappy HCs. Add the interview process and the plan for building a team. It's hard to say why he hasn't gotten the call again, but I'd say he deserves it a shot.

Nobody got the vision except for Scott Fuggerer and we saw how that turned out. The Huddle was right about major moves more than Scott by a long shot and that's just damn sad. The trade was important, but I think it was also premature for a couple of reasons. 1. Reich was the wrong coach from the start. I know you love Wilks, but he was never my choice. My choices were Steichen, Johnson and Ryans. I know Steve is a local guy and he did pull off some wins at the end of the season, but personally I love the energy and passion from Steichen and especially Ryans. Ryans was always my number 1 if we chose a defensive HC. 2. We were not a couple of pieces away from being a real contender. We really didn't know what we had because Rhule was such a buffoon that he didn't put anyone in a position to succeed, or even be productive. It's hard to build around a team when you don't even know what your team has. 3. Most important, the team had no real identity. You can't pick a new QB to fit a system when you don't even know what that system is. We were a year removed from Rhule trying to get rid of "Keep Pounding" and replace it with The Process. Again, we didn't know the effectiveness of many of the players because they weren't used enough, or they were used out of position. Even after the trade, we weren't putting BY, CJ, or AR into a position to be successful. You've got a guy trying to steer a rudderless ship. The team needs direction and that starts with Tepper. Right now, Tepper looks like a toddler in the cereal aisle screaming at the top of his lungs and the fans are the people staring at him wishing he would shut the hell up.