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Said it a few weeks ago and got poo'd for it. Luvu just makes more plays on the field.

Pass blocking wasn't his strength going into the draft. He was a run mauler that was going to need to learn to pass block at the pro level. Offensive philosophy has changed from power run to complex blocking schemes. Setting up failure

Icky was the least pass pro ready LT of the top 3 in the draft. He's struggling. Why is this a shock? Cross was the most pass pro ready but we went for the most athletic mauler. This isn't that surprising.

This is how rich people do cosplay

A lot.

I'm starting CJ and Pierce in fantasy this week. Too juicy a match up to pass up.

Actually we should probably start with someone as a team president before letting Tepper hire another coach.

I'm not for firing him either. We made that mistake last year. We aren't winning the division. We may not win a game. Take our lumps, get the 33rd pick, chalk it up to another Tepper FUBAR, and go get Ben Johnson.

0-6 and we're grasping at straws

It's been a long day and my numbers for the 9ers were off by a year for draft position, I own that. but the overall premise is still valid. The corrected numbers are 1200 in 21, 800 and 640 for a total of 2640. Minus the 1350 we paid with our 9 leaves 1290 remaining or a 10th spot value. So we would need to finish 10th this year to break even with the 9ers 3 1sts offer.

Actually it's not. SF gave up the 21st(800) in 21, 29th(640) in 22, and 23" is YTD but lets give it a value of 24th(740), for a total of 2180 according to the trade value chart. Unless something drastically changes, the Panthers will end up with a top 3 pick, the lowest of which is valued at 2200. Take out the 9th we already gave up, value 1350, and we need to finish no worse than 20th best team in the league to break even with the SF trade for Lance and that doesn't include the 2 2nds or DJ Moore we sent or the 22' 3rd they sent. While the trade value chart isn't perfect, it does provide some perspective on the value of picks. But to say that the 49ers 3 1sts hold more value than our 2 1sts isn't accurate.

If we look much improved on offense, it's going to be hard to fire Frank, only because I think it would be a lot to ask to take over as HC and still be OC/DC depending who was promoted. End of season, yeah. Move on. If it's a blowout, still gotta keep Frank and try to get the highest 2nd round pick we can by letting him run this train off a bridge. We're going to need all the help we can get. Won't make Chicago picking at 1 any better though.

We had in our possession a 23' 1st round pick (9) and a 24' 1st round pick. Now we don't. Where did they go? We had to give away our rights to them in order to acquire the rights to Chicago's pick 1. Call it an exchange or a swap or whatever you want. Saying that we gave up our rights to our 23' 1st round pick as part of a package to acquire pick 1 is 100% factually correct.

Wrong. The trade wasn't only draft picks AND you got the picks wrong. We "exchanged" pick 9, 2024 1st, pick 61 and a 2025 2nd PLUS DJ Moore. That's 5 total assets traded to acquire a single player, Bryce Young. The Bears could have drafted him at 1 and then made the trade, it wouldn't have changed the outcome. 1 player for 5 assets. If we ended up trading BY for a bag of Skittles at some future point, then all we would have netted is a bag of Skittles for all those assets. What the front office has said publicly, and what their actions have confirmed all offseason, is this was never a full scale rebuild. This was plugging a QB in as the missing piece, for the 5th time in 4 years.

We traded all that away in exchange for BY and DJ Johnson. Where they were picked is irrelevant. That's what we got for all those assets. Those 2 players, one who needs to be a unicorn at QB to be successful for his cost and the other a converted TE edge rusher project in his prime that can't get on the field on Sunday. Fitts said repeatedly they were trying to contend for the division. This was never a rebuild. This was drop Bryce into a system built by on offensive guru and watch the wins rain from the sky. Most fans always had reasonable expectations, but Tepper and the FO never did. It's always been win now for them. This is the result of being impatient.

Trading CMC, DJ, 2 1sts, 2 2nds, for BY and DJ Johnson is absolutely expecting to win the division. There's no way you give up all those assets for those 2 players and realistically expect to land another top 10 pick. No fugging way.

Gets you right in the feels. Feel blessed that he was a part of this organization and that the Saints and Panthers put rivalry aside to get him into the Hall of Fame.

Actually, everyone winning now does change. That's why teams go through a rebuilding process. Getting your foundational pieces and programs in place is key to even have a chance at winning. The decision to not rebuild was made when Rhule was fired. The team needed a new HC and a new QB. Rhule was tanking his way to the number 1 pick. If you're going to fire him, you're starting over. It's a lot easier to start over with the top pick AND your future picks intact. Let Rhule finish the season, get you the 1st pick, and send him packing. But instead we got some moral victories, traded away CMC, one of the top offensive players in the NFL for picks. A rebuild type move. Then we turned down a 1st offer for DJ (I can understand that though) and a haul for Burns who needed a new contract. That's not rebuilding. Even us stupid people know that going into the offseason with 3 1sts rounders, 2 2nds, 2 3rds, and 2 4ths this year plus 2 1sts next year would be embracing a rebuild. Plus, if we weren't enamored with any of the top 3, we could trade that spot away for even more picks/players. Tepper, Fitts and Co offseason goal was to win the division right now. When you embrace that mentality you aren't trying to rebuild. Those are two totally different approaches to team building. Getting your foundation built correctly is more important than winning right away. That's how you end up never having back to back winning seasons in almost 3 decades. Tepper has been very vocal he wants to win now and you can see that with the offseason decisions. That's probably got a lot to do with why he chose Reich over Steichen or Johnson. Either of those 2 guys would have wanted to build their team from the ground up, their way, even if it meant a losing record the first year. BY was supposed to be the most pro ready QB of the top 3, able to lead to victories day 1. The other 2 had lower floors, but higher ceilings. Not ideal to win a weak division now. There's no vision here. There's no foundation being built. It's not a rebuild. It's throw poo at the wall and see what sticks. Firing Rhule, trading CMC, DJ, 2 seconds, next year's first, swapping firsts this year has netted us BY and a project pass rusher. 2 players is not a rebuild. Tepper wanted to win the division right now once instead of bringing in the right pieces to try and control it for a decade. Oline injuries and defensive injuries this year have zero to do with doing a full rebuild that should have started last year. It's not surprising Houston and Indy are having better results. Those of us who wanted a young up and coming head coach instead of one that got fired just after Rhule last year saw it coming. Win the division once vs win it for a decade. Pretty easy choice. Bur seriously, you can't be so stupid to not understand this.

That would be a great trade for us.

Never underestimate the level of fugtardery this leadership group can achieve.

You don’t trade away a lot of your draft picks during a rebuild. It was also said multiple times they were building to try and win the division now. None of their actions have indicated any type of rebuild strategy. It’s been a failed attempt to win a terrible division this and last season.

TMJ straight up trade. So damn good he didn’t even register.

We're not rebuilding and are currently 0-6. How is rebuilding worse than this?

We were out the second he said he wanted stable management. This franchise is pretty much the epitome of dysfunctional.

The rumor was Hopkins didn't want to play with a rookie QB and only wanted to go to a team that would be in contention. Carolina is definitely neither of those things. We could trade for Nuke, but would he even want to be here? We didn't want him when he was free (no picks). Why trade for him now?