SmokinwithWilly

That and so many top tier WRs have had major injuries.

It's been working pretty damn well.

The fact the Bears have never had a 4k yard passer says a lot about their development of QBs as a franchise. Williams always had potential, but was also the riskiest QB pick. Daniels always made more sense from a QB maturity standpoint. Chicago is where QBs go to watch their career die.

This team has never had back to back winning seasons. We've never experienced sustained success or a winning culture in Carolina.

When Chuba got folded like a pretzel I thought that was the end. Nothing BY had done to that point had given me any confidence that he could pull off a game winning drive on his own.

The 3-4 was Dave's choice. We've never really had the players to run it effectively.

And he also was drafted into a position he didn't have to start right away and could learn under one of the greatest offensive minds in the game. Situation matters as well as talent.

JMO but I think the culture was established during FA last year. That culture was to coddle Bryce and not hurt his feelings by bringing in serious competition after one of the worst seasons in NFL history. He was also handed the starting job without any real competition and proceeded to poo the bed in such an epic fashion he had to be benched. How can anyone seriously believe the culture is all about winning when the biggest issue in the locker room is never even addressed? Even the players were excited about Dalton because he could actually make throws that Bryce can't and Dalton isn't anything to be excited about. You can't be serious about establishing a winning culture when you coddle players and don't actually try to improve at the most important position on the field.

Here's the way I see it. In the 20 games he's played so far, we haven't seen 1 complete performance that you would expect from an NFL quality starting QB. If they want to keep Bryce, fine. But don't stop actively looking for another starter level QB either. Dalton is going to be 100 next year (in NFL years) and we need to replace him. We should be actively looking to improve the QB position.

Who the F is BW?

Chuba impressed me by somehow not breaking or tearing something when he got contorted into a pretzel.

If you want to celebrate a win, feel free. I'm bigger picture at this point. I've seen this team screw itself over and over again with wins that don't really matter and everyone has forgotten by the first snap of camp. And Ive seen enough mediocrity to last a lifetime, and calling the last 6 years mediocrity would be generous. Dalton's career is all but over. But we should never stop looking for our next QB. Even with the GOAT, Billy B still drafted and looked for his next QB just in case. I'm ready for bigger picture football. Once we actually do that, then I'll start celebrating wins against really bad teams. It's just where I'm at as a fan.

We have Dalton and possibly Plummer ATM. Neither are great options. The time to address this was in the off season when we actively chose to not bring in any real competition. Bryce played Josh Rosen level bad last year. 1st pick or not, you can't just hand the starting position to that level of QB play and be taken seriously. After the 1st 2 games he was benched and many were blaming the supporting cast, but then Dalton lit up the Raiders with the same cast. If you're willing to bench him 2 games into the season, you're openly admitting he wasn't ready to be the only option at starter. We have no good options right now and that is a huge failure of the FO. We didn't win today because of BY, we won in spite of him. Chuba carried this team. Bryce did nothing extraordinary. He played a game you would expect to see from any backup QB in the league. If the Giants D wasn't so horrible against the run, do you think BY would have been able to put 300 yards and 3 scores on the board? I don't and that's my problem. When the game is on the line, and we saw it twice today (Coker and Chuba) he couldn't make the pass. That's a basic NFL pass. Daboll didn't respect him enough and punted away with 3 minutes on the clock and had the ball back in under a minute. Maybe I'm wrong and BY becomes great and that would be the best thing for the team and I will happily eat crow. The worst thing is he becomes mediocre and we consider that success and stop trying to get better at the position and we live every year somewhere between 6-8 wins.

Bryce failing is horrible for this team and I don't want him to fail. I want him to succeed because we need him to succeed. But I'm not going to pretend that what he's doing has been anything short of backup level football, and a bad backup at that. Nothing I've seen says we should stop looking for a starting level QB.

Bingo. He was crowned played of the game when Chuba clearly put that offense on his back and carried them down the field over and over again.

There comes a point when you have to look at BY game and ask yourself, based on his performance, if he hadnt been the 1st overall pick, would he be starting in this league, or even a backup ? For me, the answer is simple, no. Bryce's game stats are what most QBs accomplish in a half or less on a regular basis. We can win games, but the ultimate goal should always be to make this team a contender. I'm over the feel good wins. At some point you have to accept reality. To compete in a pass friendly league you have to be able to throw the ball with consistency, accuracy, and strength. We're not doing that and we're not getting a winning season, much less into the playoffs, until we do.

Picking high gives you a better opportunity to draft great players. But you still have to actually select the right one, which we suck at.

Chuba had 27 more rushing yards than Bryce had passing.

Bring on the doink!!

That's why I never saw an issue with them taking a QB. Sitting him and letting him develop like Love behind Rodgers. It's good for these guys to get some time to sit and learn.

Where have you been? Center has been an issue since Ryan Kalil's neck injury. We haven't had a solid center in almost a decade. The IOL has been god awful. KC has the best IOL in football and they are all players that many of us were screaming to draft because we recognize how weak our IOL was. BY showed nothing other than 1 half of competent football against one of the worst defenses in the NFL last year. He was the worst starting QB in football last year. 33rd with only 32 teams. Someone's backup was better than our draft prodigy. Yes, Bryce needed real competition because he was benched 2 games into this season because anyone with eyes could see he wasn't ready to be an NFL starter. If you want to compete for something other than the 1st pick, you need real QB competition. A 2-15 team can't afford to draft an injured RB that's not going to contribute immediately. With holes all over the place, RB was a luxury the team couldn't afford. We have no pass rush, but we got Jerry Jones' guy. High 5's all around. BPA is OK but if the BPA is a RB 4 rounds in a row it doesn't make sense to take 4 RBs. You have to build a team that can compete. We're in serious contention for back to back 1st picks and Morgan had a hand in building both those teams. Has he made some good draft picks. It appears so. But when it comes to team building, that's a whole different story.

If there's another QB that came to the combine after packing on 15 lbs of water weight to hide his playing weight, I don't remember it. I understand it's all part of the pre-draft game, and he participated. The FO was stupid and ignored huge red flags. On a side note though, I was at the airport a few weeks ago and saw a basketball team going through and decided to try and look through them. I'm 6'2 and these guys were 6'6 and up. I was amazed by how much I couldn't see around them. And these guys weren't 300 plus in pads. I still think he's having a hell of a time seeing the field at the NFL speed.

It absolutely is on him for doing it and I'd wager he used a good bit of that psychology major to help him through interviews because he could read people better than most. The Panthers should have recognized it for what it was, hell, we all did, but you can't absolve him just because everyone else does it. 38 Million guaranteed.