SmokinwithWilly

It's one of those times when fans can actually say that they could have done better than the GM and been 100% correct.

We're traumatized from years of Hurney, Gettleman and Fitts. Don't hold it against us.

At least they're trying to clean up the mess Fitts made. It's hard to really get a grip on how bad he fugged things up.

TBI effects can last a long time. If he is still having issues, it's time to call it a career.

My issue isn't keeping him either. It's where does that number lie. I think one thing that has probably hurt his value as a Panther, at least to me, is we're seeing other guys who play a more complete game than Burns taking contracts for less than what he's reportedly been offered. Maxx Crosby and Montez Sweat come to mind right away.

Maybe so, but he hasn't done it here. Paying him an elite level contract for what he might do somewhere else is foolish.

He's our best edge rusher and didn't finish in the top 25 in NFL sacks this season. Pass rusher is his specialty. Jadaveon Clowney was on a 10m contract this season and finished with more sacks than Burns. He's not an elite edge. He's just not. He's very good at what he does, but he's not some prodigy on the edge. Honestly, I'd rather have Sweat than Burns. At least he can play run defense.

I want no part of Mike Williams for anything multi-year. Missed 4 games in 23' due to 2 separate injuries and coming of an ACL. Maybe for a prove it deal, but that's about as far as I'd be comfortable going.

Scott constantly thought we were just one piece away. We weren't and he was too stupid to realize we were a whole lot of "one piece"s away.

That's my hope. It just drives me crazy that we had that offer and now a lot of people are hoping that we get offered a single first. A lot of fans realized how ridiculous that offer was. Pick 36 in 23' Pick 19 this year and whatever next year. Burns isn't even a top 10 edge rusher. Tepper and Scott were fugging morons.

A lot of extensions tend to be backloaded. I don’t like the idea of backloading a contract and spending that extra to bring in more expensive FAs when we arent in a winning position. If they did it and front load it, it’d be fine. Id just rather embrace the rebuild, pay the big money now while we’re going to have a lot of lower cost guys, and save that cap space for when we improve.

As long as we actually do a team build correctly for once, and stop trying to band-aid everything, I'm ok with having the 1st again next year. I'd rather suffer 1 more year and have some direction and a plan than another 6 years of whatever the fug we've been doing.

But why kick the can down the road? Save future cap space for when we are ready (hopefully) to sign some key FA to make a playoff run.

We are a 2 win team with more holes than a Lifetime movie plot. It's not getting fixed in a single offseason. Embrace the suck for a year, and just get it over with.

He just ate some bad sushi and had bubble guts. Can't do a media presser when you've only got a 2" grip on an 8" turd.

There is more than 1 draft. But right now we have no 1st in 24 and no 2nd in 25. Unless you believe we are trading for JJ with some day 3 picks, we're likely without a 1st and 2nd in 24' and 25' and quite possibly 26'. Trading for JJ would cost us 2 1sts and maybe a 2nd and possibly more. That's 3 years without a 1st and 2nd round pick, not 1. You're right. 2 to 3 great picks can turn your franchise around. The likelihood that you're getting multiple great picks in rounds 3-7 is extremely low. The Texans turned their franchise around with a number 2 overall pick QB, number 3 overall edge rusher, and a 3rd round WR. The biggest part of that obviously is Stroud. Trade for JJ and you're not seeing a 1st round pick for 3 years. Like I said, if BY is a bust, you better hit on a Brady, Dak, RW or Purdy because that's your only hope for a starting QB.

Do you know how low the hit rate is for guys taken in rounds 3-7? You can say make good draft picks but hitting on enough picks in those rounds that make a significant difference for 3 years straight is lottery type odds. It just doesn't happen, even for the most successful GMs.

Let's say that they make the trade. It's going to cost an arm and a leg. Best WR in the league, you're likely paying a Rams type offer for Burns. How do you continue to build the team and infuse it with new, high grade talent, when you only have round 3-7 in the draft and FA to work with?

The coach and GM that traded for BY aren't here anymore. And while we may be a year removed from the trade, the full cost of that trade has yet to be paid. We won't be unaffected by that trade until 2026. You keep saying that it makes sense to make this trade. How do you build around JJ if BY the bust you've said he is?

Could change the name of the team to the Carolina Swifties. Might be the only way to get fans in the stands at this point.

No. I think you add elite players at the right time. The situation the Panthers are in currently makes what the Panthers would have to give up and pay for Jefferson a bad time to do it. Whether or not he's elite, the Panthers just traded for an elite level QB. We're not in a position to double down trading for an elite WR because we have so many holes all over the place. If this was a 11-6 or even 10-7 with some good talent on rookie contracts, I'd be all over it. We don't have those things. We are a 2-15 team and overspending on a trade for an elite WR isn't going to change that.

Because this is a move you make to take you over the top or even if you have a moderately decent QB. He's not going to come cheap and we're already strapped on picks from the BY trade. You can't build through the draft if you don't have the picks. So that means you're looking at UDFA rookies, guys that have been cut from other teams, or you have to be the greatest drafter in mid to late rounds ever. And we still have to pay Burns who thinks he's elite, Brown who is elite and Luvu who is above average. You're insistent that Bryce is a complete bust and we need another QB. Who's gonna throw the damn ball to JJ? Red Rocket for 3 games until he's hurt? Can't draft another high end QB because we don't have the picks to do it. Better hope you can land a Russell Wilson or Dak Prescott in the 3rd because we won't have a 1st or 2nd next year and possibly the year after. Rookie GM Rookie HC New offensive system Terrible owner following one of the worst seasons statistical seasons for a rookie QB ever who needs to be the unicorn of unicorns to be successful No 1st or 2nd draft picks likely for at least 2 years, maybe 3. 1 of your remaining 5 draft picks per year likely to actually contribute based on odds with a team built mainly from UDFA and guys no one else wants because your cash strapped with "elite" level contracts That's not how you build a successful franchise. That's how you end up 0-17 praying to start a rebuild in 3 years if you can find a coach who wants to come to the dumpster fire.

Why go spend the farm on JJ if you aren't contending? Who gives a poo if he has a 1500 yd 20 TD season and we net 4 wins? I don't. I care about one thing. Winning. Here's how you nullify JJ on the Panthers. Double him on every route and watch BY throw a feather ball pick 6 because the offensive line can't block for more than 2 seconds, no one else can get open, and Canales' offense had one of the worst running games in the NFL to take the pressure off. 35 million and next year's first for that. Well hell. Sign me up today. This team isn't a JJ away just like we weren't a BY away. Trade away next year's first for JJ and we can watch Minnesota draft their future QB at 1 because elite players can't win a game by themselves.

Honestly, he may be the easiest way to get the number 1 pick in 25'.