SmokinwithWilly

I hope to hell you're right and we're getting a new coach in 2023. But I also figured finishing the season 2-12 and getting embarrassed multiple times would be reason to fire Rhule and not give him a chance if he can hire a Rockstar OC. We are the laughing stock of the NFL right now because of how we are handling this coaching poo. I don't have a problem with drafting a LT and keeping BC as a swing tackle. I think it's actually a good idea if we could somehow ditch Erving. Rhule cannot evaluate oline talent. It doesn't matter of the 3 top guys are there for the taking if Rhule decides that some bumpkin out of BFU has all the measurables to be an all pro. Rhule is infatuated with his analytical approach and all its turned out so far is a big steaming pile of poo.

But do you trust them to figure it all out later? Right now we should know if BC can play LT. Rhule refused to put him there until he had no choice and only then did we get a look at him with 3 games to go. Rhule refused to even consider a 2nd team all pro LT at that position in the draft because of his measurables. The problem isn't our need at LT or lack thereof. The biggest problem is the person in charge of making these evaluations and decisions thought that Erving and Elfien were day 1 FAs, Miller and Jordan were the best guards, and that BC and Brown didn't deserve playing time even though the starters were handing out sacks like Halloween candy. The biggest issue isn't the players available, it's the clown driving the car. I want a franchise LT. I DONT want Rhule deciding who that will be.

But then you have to build around him which always seemed to be our problem.

The sad part is they've experienced as much success in the past 5 seasons with no 1st rounders as we have in almost the past 25 years. I'd make that trade any day

You kind of have to though. Baring a trade back, if we take a T at 6, there's no pick until the 4th. BC looked terrible as a guard. It's not his natural position. So now we have a few picks to fill a ton of holes, and not a huge amount of cap space as long as we don't do some restructuring that won't actually accomplish anything long term since we aren't going to be competitive in 2022/23.

This is probably his fastest shot at HC, at least interim.

You think anybody is going to pay good money to watch another clown circus coached by certified clown coach Rhule.

Dear Dave, In your line of work you obviously understand risks, and you took that with Matt Rhule. Sometimes those risks pay off, sometimes they end in catastrophic failure. It's time to move on. To quote a Panther legend. Ice up son. Consider the 50m buyout of Rhules contract a paltry sum to save the fan base that may still buy this anemic product that has been put on the field the past few years. Also, it will be difficult to sell the area on MLS when as an owner you are currently showing that you are not only ok with losing, but are actually embracing failure. That same fan base won't support another one of your miserable endeavors. Signed A Panthers fan from way back.

How much practice do you really need for run up the gut, run up the gut, 30 yard bomb but gonna be a sack, punt.

I'm available for OC. No experience. No NFL resume. Could I really do that much worse?

I live up in the Pacific NW and what they say about Cam would make the Carolinas look like royalty.

Eric Shelton already has a pretty firm grip on that particular catastrophe. That and we've unfortunately had our share of bad decisions in the draft. Still not topping the Sean Gilbert fiasco. This could be just another to add to the stack.

The only OC we're going to get.

Great listen. I'm on OL fan. You can really tell the guys who work on technique vs the guys who rely on mass/athleticism. Good balance, leverage, and technique can overcome power and speed most of the time. That's why I love watching the big guys doing the footwork drills at the combine. You can really tell a lot in those few drills about how well some of these guys are going to do.

At least the Cowboys find new and creative ways to lose in the playoffs time after time.

I think it's fair to say most of us here would love to see the game played the way it used to be, with a NFL caliber HC.

All they really did was guarantee if there was a year 2, it would be here. Like I said, the trade was a mistake before it even happened. The evaluation process, the bidding process, the desperation, all of it. This was a decision based on faith in Rhule's ability to develop Darnold and that faith was misplaced. I am following their logic, but I'm not saying their logic was ever correct.

The trade was based on the belief and expectation that Rhule could turn Darnold around. That could take 1 season, possibly 2. I think the mistake was made before the trade ever happened. Minshew, who was a better project and who I wanted, could have been had for far less. But what was more disturbing was how little film it turns out Rhule actually watched. The Darnold extension, and this is just my personal belief, was based on faith in Rhules abilities to transform him, not on Darnold himself. I fully believe Fitts regrets this even if he isn't publicly saying so.

You need both. A great QB won't play great with pressure in his face all day. An average QB will play better when he has all day to throw. But there is also cap to consider. Great QB is 40-50m a year. There's going to be some balancing or you won't be able to afford an average line.

Fitts just spent a 2nd, 4th and 6th in 2023 to get the HC his guy at QB. Since it's Rhule and Fitts first season working together, they know each other only by conversation to this point and some in office stuff. There hasn't been any in season working together. Rhule's rookie season the team looked to overachieve, a DROY candidate, and 8 games lost by a single score, a good sign that Rhule is on the right track after his first season. There's a little credibility established. Enter the offseason and the draft. We tried to trade down but couldn't get the right asking price. I assume this was for Slater. We didn't, and Horn was our pick. Not a bad pick, not an all pro LT (hs 20/20). No Fields, no Mac, no other QB. Sam is our guy. The 5th year pretty much becomes a requirement at this point. You can't spend picks in 2023 on a rebuilding team for a QB that won't be on the team in 2023. Now Fitts had to expect Rhule to develop Darnold. You make that trade and extension and that's a virtual requirement. For every overachievement in his rookie season, Rhule underachieved and tanked his sophomore year as we all witnessed. Other than a couple of players like Shaq and Luvu, this entire squad went backwards. Believing in Rhule, believing in the bullshit, believing the hype, the Darnold extension makes sense from a GM perspective. When you see how Rhule devolved during the season, especially after Dallas, it was the worst possible scenario come to fruition.

I'm not forming up to give Fitts a sloppy anything. I'm saying right now, it's unknown if Fitts is the problem because Rhule is so much of the problem. He does not put players in the best position to succeed. He neutralized the real DROY by playing him out of position. He kept trying to force Brady in at guard when it was obvious in preseason he was playing better at LT. He refused to play Brown at RG because of his "weight". Darnold regressed. TMJ barely saw the field. Neither did Shi. His FA versatile linemen sucked just like we knew they would. Fitts made mistakes in his first offseason no doubt. The day 1 contract numbers to Elf and Erving. Taking a long snapper over Smith. The Darnold trade (price)and extension (though I understand the logic). Fitts needs to be judged without Rhule to be judged fairly.

One thing that is often left out of the conversation with regard to Darnold is while we did trade 3 picks for him and Fitts did sign that 5th year extension, it was Rhule's job to develop him. Darnold looks worse, not better. You can blame Fitts, you can blame Sam. But if Matt isn't doing his job of developing his QB, it's all for naught anyway. Just like everything else wrong in Carolina, it all leads back to Matt Rhule (and ultimately Tepper for not firing him).

I trust Fitts to do the trading. I don't trust Rhule to set the target. If we do this poorly, it could set us back a couple of years, simply because it's going to take more than a single draft to undo the wreckage caused from Rhule's arrogance that he knows more than every other expert in the room. If Fitts and Morgan get to control the players taken and tell Rhule these are your guys, make it work, we could be ok, at least personnel wise. Coaching would still be severely lacking.

I don't know if BC is a LT of the future or not. He looked better than anything we've fielded in a while. He didn't look the part as a guard. Trading down is going to prove difficult I think. With the 2 picks above and below us both identical teams, our pick has very little advantage and without it being a QB class, this isn't a very trade desirable scenario for us. I hate to say it but I think if we could trade down, at best it could maybe be for a pick in the 20s and a late 2nd or a 3rd and maybe a 6th and that's it. This just isn't the year for teams wanting to spend capital to move up to our spot at least. That said, I think we roll with BC at LT, Moton at RT, Brown at RG, Elfein at C. If we can trade back and grab Linderbaum, great. If not, I don't really know. Rhule screwed the pooch so badly this season that he left the offseason positions with far too many questions and very few answers.