SmokinwithWilly

We aren't getting anything if we tried to trade TMJ for any other position or draft pick. It's likely he ends up getting cut if he can't see the field. It's a trade for a player in the exact same position, the coach's dog house. While it could very well end up being a net zero, it's the best value I think we could get for him. If he ends up getting cut, we would end up in the same spot as we would have with TMJ. Yeah. I saw that. It baffles me though with as bad as that WR corps is that Toney cannot get on the field as good as he looks when he's on it.

He's quick, good hands, played majority of 2021 in the slot and is in the dog house for whatever reason. He's more talented than Shi and would be an upgrade if he got on the field.

I would too but given what we've seen from hin this year, what are you realistically going to get? Shi Smith

If Toney rides the pine tonight like he has most of the seasonwould it make sense to possibly pursue a trade with the NYG for Kedarius Toney? Both guys have talent and are oft injured. Both guys appear to be in the doghouse with their respective coaches and aren't getting snaps. Could they both use a trade of scenery to get their careers back on track? Just a random thought before the game tonight. Sorry, but I'm bored and don't want to hear about Rhule, Baker, Tepper or McAdoo any more today.

It's like Rivera ball, only more predictable, and I didn't think that was possible.

No. They just choose which players get to play, which coordinators and position coaches to get, what type of offense to run, whether to bench guys who look like ass week in and week out, and put their players in a position to succeed. Rhule has no responsibility at all.

It would really help if he actually designed a game plan to play to Baker's strengths instead of hammering one that showcases his weaknesses. Baker has never been a pocket passer. Add in no presnap motion and a basic route tree, and this is an offense doomed to failure. I'm not defending Baker's poor play on the field because that is on him, but for fugs sake put him in a position to have a chance to succeed.

If you watched this game and think we deserved to win, you're delusional.

Time to make the game bearable. Every time McAdoo calls a shitty play, take a shot. Will I be conscious by the end of the game?

We are running an offense that doesn't play to our QB strengths. That's McAdoo who was hired by... Matt Rhule.

Real players show up on game day.

Well it's obvious practice isn't helping and who needs a new stadium to sit in and watch them keep losing.

There's a difference between having talent and working hard. There are elite talents that have no work ethic and flame out. JaMarcus Russell. All the talent, lazy as hell. You can work hard as hell and any number of things can take you out. But to not realize you have to work to make it in the NFL, as you claim, is naive and foolish, especially for someone graded as a top half of the 1st round pick. Rounds 2-7, a chicken pecking random names would be right more often than Hurney. We called Little a bust when it happened. The trade was a bust. Using our comp pick on Will Grier, which we all knew was happening a month before the draft, was a bust. Calling someone a bust in hindsight is one thing. Calling it the day is happened or even before the draft is something else. Eric McCoy, a center we needed and top talent at the position was available without having to move up. That was the pick we should have made, and it didn't take a draft genius to know it. Even us lowly, uneducated fans knew it and were saying it before the draft. I'm not talking about combine superstars or failures. I'm talking about Greg Little and his workout. This is the tackle you're looking at for the 16th pick. He shows up and runs his drills and it doesn't look like he's even practiced them. That's a huge red flag. The biggest event of his career and he didn't get ready. And if he did and that's the result, even bigger red flag. Sorry, but saying he didn't know he was going to have to work is just lazy.

It keeps the fans that are ready to turn off the Panthers as long as you're owner. I know he gets profit share from the TV deals, but how much money are you losing on your own "brand" by continually backing a losing product? Fans aren't incensed because we're losing. We've been there before. We're incensed because we as fans are right more often than a professional HC. We're riding the worst losing streak in the NFL and told the process is working 1000% but we just can't see it. Comments like this just insult the intelligence of fans and drive them away.

Any first round graded player should not have to be told they need to work to make it in the NFL. You can tell if someone has the drive to be great. And a lot of us called the overdraft of Little the day it happened. His grade was plummeting after the combine because he was so unprepared and looked so bad.

If you have a 1st round grade on a tackle, he better get it from day 1. He should have been a day 3 pick but Marty Hurney's gut and all...

Then the question becomes is it worth it to have 8-10m a year in dead cap the next 3 or 4 years for a 3rd or 4th round pick. CMC, no matter how good, has barely played the last 2 seasons due to injury. That kind of capitol is tough to give up for a guy that may play 1 game or 10.

He let a bullshit artist hire a bullshit artist and we the fans are left with

Ok. So Hurney left 2 turds...

I think I've just about reached acceptance and am ready to see how big he can wreck the train.

Unless we work some serious cap magic, CMC is here. That contract is the turd Hurney left in the punch bowl on his way out.

Out of market and have a 6am tee time so it should just be starting as I finish 16.

David Newton proving he belongs with Rhule.

So this is the Rockstar offense that saved Matt Rhules job...