SmokinwithWilly

I'm over mediocrity. I don't want to get back there. We've been mediocre for 20 out of our 27 years.

We haven't hit rock bottom yet. There's still a whole lot of ways for Tepper to screw this up and it starts by hiring some worn out retread HC. My hope is he lets Fitts/Morgan do their job this offseason, if they make it that far, and find qualified candidates who can bring new energy and innovation into this organization. Right now, it just feels like we're getting ready to do the whole Rhule process over again, except this time the hire will be Joe Judge.

I have very little hope. You have hope in the owner who is responsible for all of this to begin with. Hurney, keeping Rivera, Rhule. All Tepper, All disasters. And Fitts is part of this but his performance has yet to be determined.

It's not age so much as contracts. Burns is going to have to get a new contract soon and DJ will be getting another one in a few years. Playing on this team could literally cost them 10s of millions of $.

We didn't miss it. We've always known it. When Mike Shula is your best OC, it's just fugging depressing.

Expect 8 in the box on nearly every play. We can't run, won't pass, and could finish this season with less total offense than Jared fugging Goff.

After the offensive game plan he let happen last week, yes he does.

I wouldn't be surprised if our power ranking was 33 after this week.

Trading picks for a SB winning head coach who's been an offensive genius in our division who's going to be getting calls from multiple teams. Yeah, it'll take multiple 1sts.

It would likely take multiple 1sts...

I hope so. At least that way we could fire Fitt. If this is Tepper with his hands in football ops again.... sheesh

I'm not against that trade either, but if we used it to go get Payton I think I would throw up. We could get elite talent and possibly the HC of our choice with that kind of capital, but I would expect us to hire someone with HC experience like Joe Judge.

Go back and watch the end of year presser from last year. You will see how Fitt felt. I think he expected Rhule to be fired then but no, we got 5 more games of epic dumbassery. You can tell he had no faith in Rhule or the brand.

This is just the kind of desperation move I would expect from Tepper. He's already shown he'll sell the farm for a guy with questionable character in Watson, why should our next HC be any different.

I guess on the bright side, it'll be cheaper to go to a home game this year than to see the new Top Gun movie in theater.

Eagles and Seahawks have 2 1st round picks each. They could make a move for Burns. If we did trade Burns I'd expect us to use those picks to deal with NO to get Payton.

But how do you create a place players want to be with a move like this. These are their futures we're talking about. Mailing it in for 10 games can have a huge impact on them and their next contract or if they even get a look from another team in FA. This is sending the wrong fugging message. Burns, Brown, Chinn, DJ. I would expect them all to want out. These guys play to win. Tepper has only accomplished one thing in Carolina. Losing.

We just told every player on this team that 6 weeks into the season, we quit. CMC was 75% of our offense last week. Our offensive coordinator is running high school football offense. If I'm a player, and I have my future to think about, it's not with Carolina. Get me off this sinking ship.

Burns may not want to be part of a rebuild. He's seen the dysfunction of Tepper as owner and Rhule as HC. He could just want to get the hell out of here too. We may not get a choice. We may have to trade him.

I'm watching the rest of the league and they're all saying we got robbed. Saying here comes the fire sale.

They said there's no fire sale happening. Burns will be traded tomorrow.

Picks take time to develop. The owner is a hot mess. The only fan base at home games belongs to the other team. The Carolina Panthers HC job is not an attractive one right now. The culture in Carolina is TOXIC.

But what rebuild plans do we really have. We need a HC, new OC, new direction on offense and just traded away our best offensive piece by far. How do we attract a good HC candidate with what we're doing?

I've always considered Shanahan to be the OC. It's his offense they're running.

You almost have to wonder if DJ is going to even bother suiting up on Sunday. This team has mailed it in. The tank is on in full. PJ Walker, Foreman, and an offense play book from high school.